The BNP's Nick Griffin on Question Time, what are your thoughts?

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Ownership of property is surely a different argument? My point is that the concept of nationality encourages xenophobia and in the worst extreme people sympathising with vile views that the BNP peddle - imo and ime.

Oh and as an aside I have looked at the BNP's website - their policies are not even eloquently expressed - they look like a bunch of thugs to me.

The idea of laying claim to one's own country would sit more comfortably if we hadn't colonised so many others.

"Their policies are not even eloquently expresses - they look like a bunch of thugs to me"

Which is why we should let the odious little man go on Question Time. I'd like to see him lynched (verbally, of course...)

Iff you look at the literature and the website unless NG is seriously tutored in advance he will make the arse that he is obvious to all who watch.The whole site is full of contradiction and clumsy rhetoric and would really only appeal to people that I personally would consider dangerous.

I find it interesting to look at his minders: those rather large men with bald/shaven heads who accompany him. They look menacing.

you are entitled to your opinions bc....just like the BNP are entitled to theirs...

this place is obsessed with the BNP....what's the agenda..?

to prove how saintly you all are..?

The agenda, is dp, that most reasonable people don't like fascism and are horrified by the idea of a fascist government.

Quite aside from anything else, history could repeat itself - remember the holocaust?!

that wont happen electra...they haven't got enough support....

why can't people see things for what they are...it's good for democracy that the BNP have some support...it might make the main parties do something....an effective political system needs a good mix...fascists..communists....the lot.

just because i vote BNP doesn't make me Rudolf Hess .....

DP - I like you as you speak your mind and you are entitled to your opinion whether anyone else likes or agrees with it or not. That is what democracy is.

Personal insults are way out of line and instead of that, people should show a genuine interest in what it is that makes you (or anyone else) believe what you do.

I'm not into all this mud slinging.

So on that basis, I'd like to ask what you (or anyone else) think of the BNPs position on women and their rights? For example that your marriage can be annulled if you do not give 'consent' to sex? If the marriage was ended on that basis, the DH would automatically have the first option of custody of the child/ren because you would be at fault for the ending of the marriage. I just wonder if you think that is fair?

"remember the holocaust?"

Well that's a part of the problem, the BNP don't remember the Holocaust, they deny that it happened.

Nick Griffin himself has had this to say:

"I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria" (1996)

"There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie." (1997)

One of the BNP candidates in the European elections endorsed a Holocaust denial book (Did Six Million Really Die?).

In a documentary on BNP wives a couple of years ago one of them said "Now Nick Griffin queried numbers... I've read a thing called Did 6 Million Jews Really Die?... If they'd have kept the crematorium going in this little camp for 24/7 for 50 years they still couldn't have burnt that amount of bodies."

Note that it references the same booklet as the previous statement.

So is that "sticking up for the white working class of this country" daftpunk?

Holocaust denial is yet another proof of the deep levels of ignorance and the true lack of intelligence of the BNP.

I'm not interested in slinging mud either....and I suppose you could say that as a white woman married to a black man with 2 mixed race dc I have a good excuse to. DP has revealed highly controversial political ideas which imo are inherently racist. I'm sure she is well prepared for the questions people will inevitably ask.

She never answers her critics with any clarity though so long ago came to the conclusion that she is a lot of swagger but little real knowledge although am also prepared to listen to an intelligent argument on why any woman in and indeed a mother would fall for this racism masquerading as political choice

You should not have used Rudolph Hess as the analogy DP, everyone in the Nazi Party thought he had lost the plot whne he flew over to the UK.
Right wing DP, I do not have a problem with. BNP? That's starting to get into Political extremism.

Agree biggit right wing is a stance bnp is an illness!

not sure MN is the right place to discuss this any further....

Fair enough DP.

Squeezy - didn't you want an answer to your question?

DP, about time you put a song on the music thread isn't it? It's number 34 now

Don't be daft bgd

I guess in the end it's very hard to discuss positively a group of people that are either sufficiently lacking in intelligence or so full of hatred so as to be holocaust deniers.

Yes, in two lines I think you have pretty much summed it up

Ladylush, yes I did but I'm not going to harangue because as much as I do not agree with DPs opinions, I do like her and also respect that she is entitled to those opinions.

I think I am trying to raise the point that it is not only about race and in saying that, I am not minimising the racism of the BNP at all, they are vile in the extreme and I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

If women are voting BNP, do they realise how their rights will be affected? Do single mothers know that they will have no right to housing or benefits? Do abused women (or their children) know that they have to prove it in a court of law before it will be seen as valid? And so it goes on and on.....

Have'nt read the whole thread so excuse me if I'm treading on anyone. I was planning on watching the BNP question time but did'nt actually get round to it so again not based on anything that was said there.

As much as you love or loathe the BNP they ARE a legit political party and whilst they remain so they are perfectly entitled to fight their corner and the public are also entitled to support and vote for them. Just because people agree with a few of their policies it does not mean they are the next Hitler or a 'racist' (a word that is thrown about far too much and too quickly IMO)

I am not out to defend them because I know piss all about politics never mind all the random policies that are being thrown about.

All I know is that they want to cut down or get rid of immigrants (sp?) and I have to say whilst I do not agree with their methods I do believe that something needs to be done about the sheer amount of people coming here unless they have a good reason because I for one am sick of hearing (Polish in my town) saying they are here for the benefits or for a house, there are plenty of British or immigrants with a genuine need for housing or jobs here but the people who need them most can't get them because of the amount of these scroungers flooding our borders! I do think benefits should be cut anyway to people who are just lazy or scamming them regardless of nationality!

If that makes me a thick racist then fair enough feel free to believe that but as far as I'm concerned this country is going down the pan because of several factors but the main one on my mind is the amount of immigrants coming in purely to scrounge so I have to say I agree with that policy!

Mamadiva

It is a fact that this country will need immigrants over the next few decades because there will be a gap in the work force.

There certainly are "plenty of British or immigrants with a genuine need for housing or jobs here". There are also "plenty of British" who are bone idle and do not fancy doing a hand's turn - or, alternatively, do like work, as long as they don't have to pay tax on it. I should know, I am related to some of them.

I also fail to see how agreeing with racist policies does not make someone a racist - I am not talking about you, but about these mythical BNP supporters who are somehow not racist. They might have reasons for being racist; they might hate the fact that they have been reduced to being racists; they might even be thoroughly decent people if your name's not Brown; but they are, nonetheless, racist.

I don't know which random policies are being thrown around, btw. I've only seen explicit and clearly identified BNP policies being discussed. Where are the random ones that I'm missing?

"you are entitled to your opinions bc....just like the BNP are entitled to theirs...

this place is obsessed with the BNP....what's the agenda..?

to prove how saintly you all are..?"

No, to prove we are not racists, fascists, or Holocaust deniers.

Believe it or not, there is a difference.

You always - in my experience - do something along these lines, Daft Punk. You bang on about how great and misunderstood the BNP are; then "fools" like me challenge you on this and you start instead banging on about how they have their rights like everyone else and how they are a legitimate political party; and you never once appear to stop and question what it says about you or anyone else to support a party that subjugates women, denies the Holocaust, discriminates against people you know (on here if not in RL) and is driven by hate.

In 1930s and 40s Germany, the National Socialists were not only a legal, respectable party; they were essentially the ONLY legal, respectable party.

And it still didn't make them any more or less than fascists, racists and murderers, and it didn't stop people who endorsed their politics being any more or less than the enablers and apologists of fascists, racists and murderers.

Forget the rights and wrongs for ten seconds. Is this really what you want to be identified with?