plymouth nursery worker has pleaded guilty to sexual offences...

[wannaBe]

They've just announced on bbc that Vanessa George and two others (one man and one woman) have pleaded guilty to child sexual asalts and distribution of images.

I cant even begin to imagine what they actually did. From what I have read so far & seen on the news - there are no specific details of what actually took place; I'm not sure if things are being made worse by being left to our own imaginations.
I feel so much for these poor parents who left their children in the trust of this evil sick woman. Dear Lord....

Yes unfortunately it's unlikely that she just started last Sept and was caught in May (the crimes she has pleaded guilty to were in that timeframe)

You've just got to hope that the youngsters won't remember, and exactly how does a woman sexually abuse an 18mo? Some of these offences will just be exposing and touching them - awful, sick, but thankfully the babies would not have known what was happening. None of them had any lasting physical injuries - or they would have been able to identify them.

The man photographed himself abusing a child, I assume an older one as one of the victims was 12 .

I also feel a little nervous about sending my kids off to the CM... but sickos like this are very rare thankfully.

It does make a mockery of the CRB system though.

I heard one nursery has now banned mobiles - everyone has to put their phone in a box at the start of the day. But someone could easily have a second phone and sneak it in. Observation is the only way to stop this happening again. I am shocked that she was left alone with the kids long enough to do this - even if she was on her own cos she only had 4 mindees, you'd think there would be a manager-type person going from room to room checking on things.

And it is awful to think George had children of her own .

Sickos like this were often abused themselves tho which may be the case here .

Oh god, this is just so horrible

Makes me want to keep my DD with me 24/7 and never let her go anywhere.

Funny I bet she was all checked out and had the right paper to say she was "safe"

I really wish we still had the death penalty here I really really do

Two wrongs don't make a right Kimi. This is an awful awful case but it doesn't give anyone the right to take their lives - what if the abused kids in this case grow up to become abusers themselves (through no real fault of their own, only cos they themselves were abused) would you give them the death penalty too?

I would happily pull the lever TBH on child rapist, killers, rapist and so on.

Eye for an eye.

Sorry for posting earlier that she had had a previous conviction,i read it on Yahoo & presumed it was true.

I dont believe in the death penalty but i do believe that we need stronger punishments in this country.

They should all be sentanced for a very long time.

I also feel very sorry for her own children & dh,what must they be going through?

Horrible,horrible situation.

"Sickos like this were often abused themselves tho which may be the case here".

When I did an intro to counselling course we discussed this, and apparently abused children are only ever so slightly more likely to go on to abuse themselves, it's something like 2/3% so the statement that child abusers have usually been abused is actually not true. But it's often used as a justification for what they have done.

But even if she had been abused, it doesn't make it any more forgiveable for her to have abused children. Many, people are abused and don't grow up to be child abusers. The line that she may have been abused is simply irelevant - she is an adult and as an adult is responsible for her actions.

At the very least, there be spit in there dinner in for the rest of there life?s (if there lucky). There will also be a bounty out on them; I believe that many women inside with kids will take exception to these two. I give it a month or so and one of them will have ?committed? suicide.
Speaking as some one that?s been through the CRB checked in the past, it maybe an idea to include the carers partner in the process, going by this case. I think old convictions for stupid stuff in the past should not be included.
I have met extremely good youth workers who can only do what they do because of past mistakes.
I also think, unfortunately, that the internet perhaps, is more likely flushing these people out, and the level of paedophilic abuse by men and women is about the same level as 50 years ago (I?m of Irish decent and know a rancid nun story or two from older women).
I don?t think blaming the Internet for these people is going to be helpful, but it?s going to happen.
My thoughts go out to the families and kids involved, if it was my kids, id be done for attempted murder if I got my hands on the perpetrators, my bleeding liberal heart would be used to bludgeon them to death.

Fair enough wannabe, but what I mean is we don't know the backgrounds of these people.

this report says sexual abuse teamed with witnessing violence does increase the risk of the abused becoming an abuser.

Anyhow, I am not for one minute trying to excuse what these three paedophiles did, it disgusts me to the core and I do not know how anyone could do anything like that, I just don't agree with the 'bring back the death penalty' comments.

She looks pretty revolting in the papers. I know you can't tell by looking at people whether or not they are evil monsters but she doesn't look like the kind of person you'd trust with a child.

I think the death penalty diminish our humanity and makes us nothing worse then the perpetrators, but faced with how you would feel personally, if I was standing in the same room and preferably armed with a baseball bat, I know what I would do.At least I know its wrong to feel like that.

I agree re. the death penalty. We don't need to reduce ourselves to the levels of those revolting animals.

oh yes, 'spit in there(sic) dinners'.

what an intelligent and sensible suggestion.

Donnie thats what happens in prison.

It's beyond my comprehension that women could do this. That some one who is a mother herself could do this.

I must admit, when it was first reported I didn't believe it was possible.

I agree with Cowwomanmoo re the death penalty, though.

This is just so hideous

I just feel so sad for the parents and children, as well as the families and colleagues of those vile, sick individuals. They will probably spend their whole lives wondering if, what, why, how could I not know. Such torment.

Next Playgroup Parents' Meeting I'm going to suggest that all mobiles are left in a box in the reception area. It will give me greater peace of mind to know that all the staff and parents on rota will not have camera phones in the toilets. Of course I don't have any reason to suspect anyone at present, but hopefully it'll prevent anyone with weird tendencies trying to get involved.

I remember having bad vibes about a member of staff at a nursery when dd was only one. She seemed very happy-go-lucky, but was incredibly evasive when I asked her any questions about why my dd had suddenly developed such appalling nappy rash in the course of each unique morning she was there. It was probably just neglect, but coupled with the fact that my dd was very withdrawn as well,lesson learned, I decided to stop taking her there, did not go straight back to work (lucky for me that was an option) and have only taken my children to playgroups that THEY enjoyed rather than ones that were convenient or had the best networking potential.

Have just read about this in the Guardian I have a 17 month old dd and I can't begin to imagine how those poor parents must feel. I really can't understand either why anyone would want to carry out these vile acts.

It is always said that sexual abuse is most often carried out by a person who is close to the victim. We warn our children about strangers, but it seems that they are statistically more at risk of abuse from friends/family/carers.

Some parents won't use a nanny or childminder to provide childcare due to them working on their own, group childcare settings are seen by them to be safer. This case goes to prove that group settings are not any safer, as the other staff did not raise concerns (if they had any) about the conduct of this nursery worker.

Statistically I think children are more at risk from being abused by their own family/extended family. Abuse by childcarers is quite rare but it does happen unfortunately.

God the poor parents.
And am that some witless twunt even dare suggest they were to blame for putting them in nursery.

I really hope nasty things happen to this trio in prison. And I totally agree there is something wrong with these people mentally, to something like this to a small child.

It does puzzle me that the nusery worker had the opportunity though, I know at DSs nursery, staff aren't left alone for long periods - the manager & assistant manager both float around all the rooms, and the three rooms where the 0-3 years are aren't completely separated, they are in 2 rooms that have been knocked through and then partitioned into 3 by half height walls and gates, and have a shared toiler/nappy change area - so at the very least staff are in earshot. Plus there is usually an extra member of staff floating around those 3 rooms for cover for when a staff member needs to take a child for a nappy change or toilet break, or see a parent & child out of the nursery.

But at the end of the day I don't think anyone could conceive of a nursery worker doing something like this

Quick point. It is not the Phone which is the problem, but the CAMERA.

I work on various client sites many of which do not allow cameras. Hence I have never had a camera on my phone.

On a second point, I am part of the Child Protection team at our church. The constant message has to be that CRB checks will only weed out those with existing convictions (or strong intelligence indicating offences) AND are only really valid on the day they are issued. (The threat of a check will often mean offenders do not apply to help / work with children.)

Child protection is a constant watching process for all concerned.

On a personal note, thankfully our three children grew up unharmed; now we look out for our two grandchildren.

Paedophiles will go to any lengths to get what they want so safeguards must be in place. What concerns me is that to commit some the acts she did (the nursery worker) and I don't want to go into detail here - read it for yourself if you wish, she would have needed a fair amount of time to set it up. HOW can that happen?

In my DD's nursery there is always alot of toing and froing with staff and more than 1 carer in each room because of ratios. The ratio for babies is 1 to 12 but surely she wasn't just left along for a whole morning or whatevr with those kids? If so, even without the abuse, it's a pretty crap nursery.

Ratio is 1 to 3!

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actually if you look at all the family photos of her smiling and relaxing she looks EXACTLY like the sort of person you would leave a child with

It seems to comfort many - this notion that paedophiles look like some kind of cliche grubby type from an 'underclass' but actually they are successful precisely because they look really really really ordinary.

having an atittude where you think you can spot them is the very thing that places children in danger - and is one of the more stupid consequences ofthe ridiculous stranger danger policy.