lisobon treaty: irish how do you plan to vote?others how would you vote if given the chance?

[mayorquimby]

well?
i'm still up in the air,one of the undecideds. i feel the yes vote would probably be best for ireland and feel that the "vote no" side (libertas etc) are completely scare mongering in their campaign, but really want to vote no because i think this is one of the great attempts to circumvent the ideal of comon democracy hich was surely at the heart of the european experiment.

I think he's a bit sleazy. Like somebody who'd play the part of a politician in an itv drama. and his wife is like bree van der kampf.

Basically saying FF had played a masterful game and it was the reason they were in power, because the (ie BC) know how to win campaigns. Was hard to tell was it (a) incredibly gracious or (b) having a laugh.

Anyway I think it was E. Gilmore said he'd suspected Ganley of being a closet FFer & he knew a would-be commissioner when he heard one.

For the person worrying about another referendum again, the treaty does not allow for any new referendums once it is ratified when they tell your government they must allow abortion then that is finite.

As for the subsidies you were promised now ireland has voted yes you are not worthy of anything more than scraps from the table of europe, as you will contribute little to the EU and have extremely small voting rights the only hope you have is to rely on other, more powerful member states to back you up, (which they wont now you've dropped everyone in the shite).

I wouldn't discount the army of europe going on the march yet, don't forget this is a german lead super country and we know how much the germans like to march into other countries and take them over.

for me, a lifelong can't stomach a word from FF sort of voter, it's lol at the idea of brian cowen being the mastermind behind anything more than a round of drinks arriving at the table. It had to be a snide comment from dg!

vintagegardenia,,, where oh where has George Lee gone??? I had a really geeky crush on him, and I thought, right, he's going to charge in on his segway like some kind of geek on a whitehorse/segway and some how sort it all out for us,,, and I got excited for about ten minutes. Now he's gone. Gone from politics, gone from RTE and we're left with Ryan Tubridy and Fianna Fail tV every sat (even though I like tubbers).

Atlantis, where's your evidence that Ireland will be dropped in the shit?!
Ireland has always milked the poorman of Europe ticket quite nicely in the past. I'm relieved there will be no more referenda though. Ireland will never allow abortion though. THey'll continue to turn a blind eye, let women go to UK. That will never change.

George appears periodically on Eamon Keane's lunchtime show on Newstalk. He talks without interruption or deviation, repeating himself endlessly, while Keane tries to derail him with his cry of 'that's horseshit'.

It is a shame that he seems to have turned into a default politician ...

Blimey, I wish the EU was about socialism but I don't see any sign of it! It's about bureaucracy, about the civil servants and politicians running things and never mind what the people think, and about them running away with our money - the auditors have refused to sign the accounts off for decades but the organisation just carries on regardless, persecuting anyone who dares to say 'hang on, isn't this a bit dodgy'.

It's the bloody EU who insisted any doctor can waltz into the UK even if they can't speak English, while overseas docs from English-speaking countries have to sit a language test. Barking. That poor man who was killed by the German 'doctor' who had never ever worked as a GP before or come across morphine or pethidine before will not be the last...

oh god. I'll tune in for that. !

I think I could run the show better meself!! I'd cull the ceann comhairle for a start. Sack 3/4s of them. Give George a job just to keep him off newstalk!

I apologise for the low-grade and non-analytical nature of most of my posts but I must just add on the subject of the Ceann Comhairle, a very good front page headline on one of the tabloids on Saturday, following the publication of his expenses - Johnny Cash.

And in a further lowering of tone, I'll add that I love Eamon Keane's voice.

Me too VG.
I got in quite a fluster when he swore about Barry Andrews the other week.

DH does a really bad impersonation of him saying 'Tell me now' and 'That's horseshit' which comes out as mainly Wigan unfortunately ...

I also love it when he starts reading out texts and just trails off and mutters "No actually d'ye know what, I'm not reading that kind of stuff out on air..."