If the Tories win, Cameron will support plans to reduce the upper abortion limit

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yikes

Thank you Edam.
It's been over two years, but I really needed to hear that. I never have before, and I really never expected to.

I'm a good person, really I am, I just had to do that for DD and I, so we could live a normal life, so I could be a good Mum.

And coming back to the first post, if anything confirms it, then that does that I'll never vote Tory!

And thank you too LuluMaman.

It really means so much to have people understand.
I'm getting all teary now and that's no good.

I must pop back to the sleb twaddle thread and stop getting emotional.

go on , get yourself a twaddle fix! that will sort you out

Sleepycat, I didn't think you were.

I was just trying to explain why I didn't even consider adoption.
It's something I've read often, and I did, in the year after read and join far too many sites to debate the subject (and got shriekingly hysterical in type on most).
It's just not that straightforward, and it is the harder option, and the support isn't there.
It just wasn't even a possibility for me.

Aw muggle, you are making me feel teary now. Look after yourself. It's the relatives and friends who let you down so badly who should feel ashamed, not you.

A private detective specialising in tracing birth relatives of adopted people once told me adoption was used as a punishment for women who transgressed. Completely changed my perspective.

I find myself rather conflicted by this. DS1 is disabled (CP) and I find it hard to defend abortions based on a risk of Down's Syndrome for example. But equally I don't like the reduction in time limits because it is not based in fact, there have been no compelling scientific studies to show that medical advances have been made.

Meh, will leave this one to more determined posters.

Should add, I mean the OP not your situation muggle!

I must be clear, to be fair, the only person who had a problem with it was my then best friend. She was horrible about it, really horrible.
My Boyfriend, and another friend I told were supportive at the time. The friend amazingly so, but online, he lives in London and did come to see me when I was there having the termination.
He let me cry all over him and just held me. I'll never forget that.
Of course my boyfriend struggled with it, as did I but he supported my decision, and accepted it was my decision.
I told another friend afterwards.
They are the four prople who know.

My family I didn't tell, I was too scared.
Not many people agree with it, never mind support it. I thought it best to keep quiet.

My friend who was supportive, is great, we're friends and always have been, I last spoke to him on Sunday.

My best friend and I are in contact now. I will never forgive or forget, but I've got past that now.
I don't think we'll ever be best friends again, I don't think I want that.

My boyfriend and I stayed together untill the November (I had it in April), but we were both awful. We couldn't cope at all.
I was horrible to him,a nd he wasn't great to me either.
He cut all contact.

I was gutted, but recently we have got back in touch and have rediscovered why we were friends. (we were for a year before we got together).
He's a great guy, I'd reccommend him to a friend, and I'm glad I can put it to rest that the people who know don't hate me.

It means I can move on.

"No one ever goes through a late abortion lightly."

Exactly. Anyone who thinks they do is deficient in empathy themselves.

muggglewump thank you for your brave post. it does show the other side.
I have no opioins on termination as such, I do on discrimination though.

Just a word of context on this - because it's quite important. Abortion is never debated in the House of Commons on party political lines, because it's an issue of personal conscience. What Cameron is saying is he'd allow time for the debate. He wouldn't ask his MPs to vote one way or the other. So it's not an election commitment. Issues of conscience never are - they're subject to what's called a "free vote".

Mugglewump - you are incredibly brave and I hope this thread hasn't upset you too much x

Longtalljosie - thing is, if there is a Tory majority, there will be more anti-abortionists given the Tories on the whole tend to be less supportive of womens' rights, especially on this issue.

(But let's not forget it was a Liberal, David Steel, who piloted the abortion act through parliament. He deserves our thanks.)

Don't think that can be true, as medical staff have the right to refuse to be involved in abortion. So no-one has to do it if they don't want to.

True, edam. Medical staff can and do decline to participate in abortion.

Whatever happens legally, late abortions will continue. A lowering of the time limit will just mean more women dying again from illegal abortions.

When I was in London, I was told by one of the other girls, that it is the only clinic in the country that perform late abortion on the NHS. It is a BPAS clinic, but I was refferred by the NHS so didn't pay.

I don't know if that's true, but it certainly makes sense as I had come from Glasgow, there was a girl from Hull, one from Manchester and a girl with flight tags on her bags.

Presuming the only other places, such as Marie Stopes charge, and are dedicated abortion clinics, then it doesn't make sense that the same Doctor would abort babies and also save them in the same hospital?
Surely for whatever reason, which I am incredibly grateful for,, they have chosen to work there and do that job?