NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

[spokette]

I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

MIFLAW, Yours is a popular line for politicians, but I assume that they are saying it for effect. If you think that one though you will realise that it requires the population to continue to increase forever to work. Go get your shopping bag and try it out then explain how you ever thought that was feasable.

50million, 100million,.... 10 billion, 20 billion,, (can't stop now because we need more young than old people) 10 trillion, 100 trillian.....

I dunno, surely you as a british white woman have effectively become worse than those non white, non british immigrants because you have chosen to dilute the white population. As far as I am aware there is a special kind of hatred reserved for white women who have children with black (or other non white) men.

How a woman can come on here defending the BNP is utterly mindboggling. THE BNP HATE YOU TOO!

onager - you also don't want a negative growth (population) in a country- or perhaps you do??

well that is true - gawd knows what they'd do with me then as Zimbabwe sure wouldn't have me

"If you think that one through ..." Oh, okay, I'll try that. Right - done it - it's all bad.

Now, why don't YOU think through the alternative? More old (non-earning) people relative to young (earning and contributing)people. Where is the money to come from to support the former?

Or do we just let them starve?

Or we could bribe "native" couples to have more children. Hang on, that's been done before - who was it by, now?

Oh, yes. The FN in France.

And something similar happened in Germany in the 30s I believe.

So, seriously, what solution do you suggest?

lol, they'd send you to Weston Super Mare where you'd be forced to live out your life trailing up and down the seafront in the drizzle watching the effluent froth up onto the beach, slowly dying of boredom.

Noooooooo

Sorry, I need to leave this thread. I am clearly not serious enough for it.

MIFLAW - the "native" British are already having more babies - that's what's contributing towards our massive population growth

They are indeed. But we still need to do something immediately about the next 20 years until those children enter the work force.

So we either invite in foreign labour or spend less on the old (our own parents).

onager "The claim that they deliberately only employ racists rather falls down if you know about this because your friend works there."

no she doesn't. when did i say that my friend worked for the home office? she works in support of trafficked women, women who have been tricked, transported, gang raped and prostituted. and then they come here and while their applications are being considered they are harassed and bullied by home office staff (same body as looks at applications). so are their children, the products of rape, bullied and intimidated.

i'm all in favour of people whose applications have been fairly looked at and appealed and looked at again being deported. the fairness thing is one of the big issue here.

honestly, your attitude is fair enough, for osmeone who doesn't know what they're talking about. i'd have said the same thing myself i'm sure.

it was a huge surprise to me to find that civil servants are behaving in this way to human beings. but when my pal gets a call to drop everything and rush to a woman's side because they've picked her kids up and taken them to a detention centre for genuinely no discernible reason other than to rattle the mother, when they want the mother to go by herself to the countryside at night to pick them up, when they've done this before and whisked the mother into the detention centre and deported her overnight despite her application being ongoing... then you get a slightly different perspective on these people.

I could accept an argument for a stable population though I do think very gradual negative growth is better for the country and the only hope for those who want to 'save the planet'

Yes it is very hard to manage without increasing constantly, but as I said that is not an option available to us except in the short term. We might be able to make it work for this generation to have a comfortable retirement with all their needs looked after, but that leaves the problem for the next generations which would be selfish.

Aitch. when you said about the way they behaved in the office and you knew because your friend took the job it did come across as 'took a job in the office'

I do doubt they really pick people on that basis. Sadly the truth will be that many (most) people are capable of such insensitivity/cruelty. Some days I despair of humanity and wonder why we want to save the human race at all.

nope,i really didn't say that. and what i wrote about the office was on a different post from saying my friend works with trafficked women.

you're wrong about the employment of these staff, of course. i wish you weren't, but you are. just look at 'the secret policeman', institutionalised racism is alive and well and as long as people like you think home office staff are 'just doing their job/following orders' while bullying some of the most vulnerable and voiceless people in our society... nothing will change.

"just following orders" isn't that what persecutors say at War Crimes Tribunals to defend their actions ?

it's a shame he doesn't spend some time talking to asylum seekers, those who've escaped horrific situations back home to come to a safe place

but I see he doesn't attack big corporate banking honchos who come over here from the States and Europe with their non dom status and are allowed into this country, or those on tier 1 specialist visas (there are loads of those) or people from Australia here to work on a 2 year visa which they are all allowed - because they are also people adding to our numbers.

or is it one rule for the 1st world, one rule for the other?

tbh, I think it's just plain racism against Africans but then again, no-one's really surprised he feels that way!

Aitch, I believe you now about your friend. I just said it sounded like that to me when I first read it.

As for evil people I just think you don't have to search for those. I think there is a kind of selective process sometimes where there are some jobs I wouldn't be so eager to do that others might leap on. But sometimes you just take the job you can get.

Figment, don't get me started on following orders. I think in a war if you are a soldier they say "shoot them" and you do and assuming it's a legal order under your system of government you should not be singled out for retribution.

Onagar

"Yes it is very hard to manage without increasing constantly, but as I said that is not an option available to us except in the short term."

So, again, what do you suggest?

MIFLAW, in general terms tightening belts and getting through the best we can since the current method won't work. Specifics would take a bit longer and need a huge team of economists, but I can make general points which might make sense.

In a simple society perhaps 95% of people would be working to grow food, make clothes etc. The essential stuff. In ours that figure might be 10% (I have no idea, but it will be low). If we don't increase the workforce, but need to increase the essentials then maybe we need to decrease work hours spent on non-essentials.

Maybe cut the production of luxury items for our use (you'd have to decide if you needed to make them to sell abroad) to free up workers.

How many people's jobs consist of ticking boxes to say that someone else has done a day's work. In a complex society some of that IS essential, but do we need to many of them or can some be retrained if we can reorganise things?

Some of the stuff that goes on in detention centres is horrifying, especially (as Aitch says) given that these are people who have already suffered terrible abuse. This sort of institutionalised brutality is only possible because such a significant proportion of the British people think that asylum seekers are lying freeloaders who should be 'sent back'.

It's all very well trying to understand the electorate's mindset, but once you've done that (and let's face it, it's not hard - people who hold blanket anti-immigrant opinions are not, on the whole, terribly bright), those viewpoints should be challenged in the most robust possible terms. Instead, our politicians cower before the racist mindset.

This was a party political broadcast brought to you by the Khmer Rouge.

What on EARTH are you talking about? Has it passed you by that we live in a global, post-industrial economy?

We import the majority of these things and there's a reason for that - it's cheap. Partly because some other countries aren't as finicky about things like child labour as we are, but also because they have better quality (and more) land and communications.

What you appear to be advocating is a return to medieval fiefdom.

I may have completely misunderstood you but, as things stand, I am convinced on the basis of this post that you are clinically insane.

"In a simple society perhaps 95% of people would be working to grow food, make clothes etc."

As a result, in a simple society, the life expectancy is somewhere in the 40s.

That's why their pension demands are relatively slight.

PW...UKIP have a few ideas on immigration...what do you think of them?

I wonder what the BNP babes would make of this?

They'd think exactly what their neanderthal DH's told them to think, Minky.

they'd think

"I wouldn?t mind them if they actually worked and didn?t take all of our jobs"

oh..and frigment..christians are allowed to hold political opinions you know...last time i looked i was living in a democracy...although sometimes i wonder....