NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

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I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

AitchTwoOh, maybe some are unkind on a peronal level and I can see why that might be upsetting. The claim that they deliberately only employ racists rather falls down if you know about this because your friend works there.

The stuff about catching them at the school is presumably because they are avoiding the authorities who are required to enforce the law.

I'm sure there is lots we can do to improve things. I don't see any upside to being unkind, but I'd still deport those whom the law had judged should be.

Dp yes sorry thats what I meant just not so clear when i typed it back to you

But people who live here, possibly for a very long time, will inter marry, need work, have children and you can't just send them back. Plus what i said before- the HO's idea of a safe country is categorically bollcksed.

Amnesty International have a read, lots to learn.

As Is aid I know there's not enough sapce for all- but IMVHO you dont take one migrant from the EU etc until those who have a genuine claim for asylum are cared for. basic prioritisation and common sense IMO.

ahh yes - found the figure (by the MigrationWatchUK website - also a rather organisation)

"Immigration will add 7 million to the population of England in the next 20 years - "

that works out at approx 350,000 immigrants coming to the UK each year.

even using the "peak" level of asylum claims from 2002 (c. 80,000) asylum seekers would only make up 22% of immigrants.

Using "average" figures of around 35,000 (including dependants) that's only 10%.

Sending them all back is barely going to touch the surface is it????

What IS that problem, DP?

Everyone who looks at figures rather than emotions acknowledges that we need a net influx of working age men and women for the foreseeable future. Where do you suggest that they come from? (I am assuming that cloning remains illegal and so any Griffinesque "Boys from Brazil" fantasy will have to be omitted from the calculations for now.)

more on extradition to safe countries

I apologise for the source knowing your opinions on gay people but TBh don't give a damn

"once an asylum seeker has been granted refugee status they are FREE to stay here just like anyone that has paid vast sums of money for a working visa."

But that is a rule we make and can unmake. If you are on a boat you would pick up someone who was drowning and look after them, but they don't automatically own a share of the boat.

My MIFLAW 'If we do not have a bottomless pit of money"

Are you in any doubt on that point?

Also if we are collectively responsible for the current and previous actions of this country I suppose you will apply that to the countries these people are coming from too - or are they blameless for their situation?

labour have admitted they need to look at the immigration situation....sorry labour...too little too late...they have fucked this country...you are in the minority now if you think children should be brought up by married hetrosexuals...i'm sick of being told i can't think this or say that..

'Some people might say we have a moral debt on that basis, poor money management or not.'

Also because of past imperialist policies of going into other continents and carving them up amongst ourselves (ourselves as in Europe) with no thought or consideration of tribes or cultural/ethnic/religious lines. Thereby creating the stage on which a lot of the conflicts that drive people to flee in desperation are still occurring.

but they are then given the rights to work so why shouldn't they be able to own a share of the pot so to speak?

Or are you suggesting that despite having spent YEARS not being able to work (and as a result suffering from the same problem that British people who are out of work for along time suffer - loss of skills/uptodate knowledge of their area of work) they then shouldn't be allowed to work and should instead be forced to continue simply claim normal benefits?

Or perhaps just keep them on the 70% of JSA/IS levels of income - with none of the extra benefits that UK residents are entitled to (child tax credit/child benefit etc etc)?

You can't have it both ways -

daftpunk - FINE - look at immigration - but for gods sake stop focussing on the tiny numbers of asylum seekers that are eventually granted refugee status - are they really are the least of our concerns in terms of actual numbers

No, I am not in any doubt on that point.

That's why we have a budget.

A budget is where you set your priorities and allocate expenditure accordingly.

I am saying that this priority should be higher than it is.

They are not blameless, no - but their situation was undoubtedly created by our uninvited intervention in the land that has become these countries and the unmerited appropriation of resources.

FAQ, I'm sure the BNP only want to apply it to black people since they are insane on that subject, but I find adding 7 million to the population quite disturbing. I don't care what color they are.

I see it's been claimed that we need more and more people. I've seen that a lot and it's based on the well known scientific principle that if you get a full shopping bag you can keep adding stuff to it forever as long as you arrange it neatly.

Marvellous DP. Coming across your witterings on these subjects reminds me how fortunate I am to have loving, liberal, normal friends and co-workers.

You are my barometer for crazy. Thanks for that.

My particular favourite is your claims to be Christian and yet you pretty much hate everyone who is not heterosexual, married and employed with a venom that makes the rest of humanity shudder. Jesus loves us, eh ?

Marvellous. Perhaps you could give little Nicky a call and offer your services as part of his white army ? Hey! You might even be the one who gets to fire the bombs at the boatS! Imagine that, what a coup that would be for you. Look wonderful on your CV that one.

"you are in the minority now if you think children should be brought up by married hetrosexuals" - no, you're not. That is still the majority set up, I believe - with unmarried heterosexuals in stable relationships following close behind.

"i'm sick of being told i can't think this or say that.." You can say or think what you like. As long as you don't bleat when people draw conclusions about you based on that.

what about the numbers of EU migrant workers - who don't even have to apply for a visa to work here - they just arrive and find a job (in simple terms)?

Some estimate the numbers of EU works living and working in the UK as being over 1 million.

ooh, sorry I forgot to add 'white' my list of boxes needing to be ticked in order for you to accept them as human.

How could I forget that one, eh? Silly of me.

"I see it's been claimed that we need more and more people. I've seen that a lot and it's based on the well known scientific principle that if you get a full shopping bag you can keep adding stuff to it forever as long as you arrange it neatly."

Wonderful use of irony there - did you ever do any writing for Cannon and Ball?

It's actually based on the well known actuarial principle that, if you have an old-age pension and a steadily ageing population (not to mention our proud, white dole-scroungers that the BNP rank up there with gas chambers as a Communist fantasy), you need to keep feeding more working people in at the bottom or else cull - ie forcibly euthanase or else export - at the top.

Accept overcrowding or have your nan gassed? I think for most of us (maybe apart from Griffo) the former is the lesser of two evils.

massively inappropriate lol @ "or have your nan gassed". Sorry. I think I've gone a bit delirious from the statistics on this thread

I heart MIFLAW

When we originally agreed to free migration within the EU I bet everyone thought that would be fine. After all most of the EU economies wa pretty similar. Why would most EU people want to come to the UK? If I were French for example I'd bloody well want to stay there.

But now the EU has grown and there are members who quite rightly would see coming here as a better option. That should have been thought through carefully before we signed up.

It's heartening to see that sane and humane voices are in a comfortable majority on this thread.

It seems to me (based on extensive listening to 5Live phone-ins) that most of the knuckle-dragging piss-dribblers who complain about 'immigrants' make no distinction at all between asylum-seekers and economic migrants.

For light relief, I can recommend following realnickgriffin on Twitter. (It namechecks Torchwood as well.)

and lets not forget that actually us women are ALSO responsible for the increasing population rate. Unlike countries such as Italy where they have a negative growth rate (this was some years ago so things may have changed admittedly) we keep having lots of babies.

Yes some of the increased fertility rate is due to immigrant births as well (approx 21% of babies born in the UK in 2007). However unless you TOTALLY stop the immigrants coming in (and send the current ones home) AND stop us all having lots of babies - then the population is going to increase.

Personally I would hate to have a negative growth rate - one day I will be old and possibly need care - a negative rate would mean there were fewer workforce to look after me!

S'ok FAQ, caring, sharing Nicko will have you rubbed out before you have to worry about your old age.

oh no no no - I'm ok - I'll be allowed to stay while my DS's and DH are shipped back off to "safe" Zimbabwe .

"knuckle-dragging piss-dribblers" - superb.

Onagar, I quite agree with you - if you were French, I'd want you to stay there too.