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NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

506 replies

spokette · 09/07/2009 19:53

I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

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daftpunk · 10/07/2009 18:03

it's a good job you're not running the country clemette..it would be in a bigger mess than it is already.

onagar · 10/07/2009 18:10

"terms of physical overcrowding, countries like Japan (again) have proved we still have a long way to go"

And then what?

Then with a much greater population and probably a worse old/young ratio since medicine generally improves we have to stop increasing and solve the same problem that's in front of us now.

There are 'possible' ways (no easy ones) that 'might' work, but you're so busy yelling insults at everyone that your mouth is blocking the view.

Btw, immigration is not the cause. It makes it worse, but the cause is having more children than needed to replace the adults.

If you look at it as a worldwide problem it doesn't so much matter where people are as how many there are, but we have to deal with the problem here and now and are not in charge of the world.

PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot · 10/07/2009 18:15

Yes well Onager might want to sit out the winter's swine flu epidemic before we start discussing the population explosion again.

And you know, there's always the 456.

MIFLAW · 10/07/2009 18:17

"There are 'possible' ways (no easy ones) that 'might' work, but you're so busy yelling insults at everyone that your mouth is blocking the view."

  1. I'm not yelling insults - I've told you - quite calmly, I feel - thatyou appear to be insane.

  2. "Possible" ways - the only one you've mentioned is a year zero approach. The reasons why this would fail and ruin lives in the process are so manifold that just the thought of trying to explain them all depresses me.

"the cause is having more children than needed to replace the adults." Long term, you are doubtless right - although I confidently predict that disease or war will cull the population within the next 100 years without us needing to lift a finger. But short term what are we going to do with the increasing number of elderly people who have not made sufficient provision for a 30-year retirement?

Incidentally, you seem to be hinting at an international solution to an international problem, but to balk at the idea of making a start by a bit of international distribution of wealth, ie allowing migrant workers to exchange labour for money.

onagar · 10/07/2009 18:18

I haven't watched this seasons Torchwood yet, but it sounds like it might be good.

Think I might go and get it now.

onagar · 10/07/2009 18:34

Okay, quickly because I really am going now.

  1. You've been insulting others too. It's just a distraction. If you think you are right then others will see that without you drawing attention to yourself.

  2. I don't know all the ways. I'm not even sure how to implement mine since the economy is a delicate balance. You pull on one string and something unravels elsewhere.

I'm hoping there are some better ways, but postponing it so our children or grandchildren will have to face it further down the line (probably with even less resources) is not it.

I'm also not happy with banking on loads of people dying from wars/disease to save us having to solve it.

It is an international problem really, but we are only in charge of our own country so must do what we can.

policywonk · 10/07/2009 18:54

One way to address mass international economic migration is to redistribute global wealth more equally, so that you don't have people living in extremes of poverty in one country while those in another country throw out one-third of the food they buy. Whatever anyone on this thread thinks, those of us in the UK live in great luxury compared with the global average.

MIFLAW · 10/07/2009 18:57

I haven't insulted anyone else. Or you. At a push, I've insulted what you say.

"I'm also not happy with banking on loads of people dying from wars/disease to save us having to solve it." Well, tough. Either there are too many people or there aren't. If there aren't, then the real problem, far from being lax border controls, is that we are not doing enough to redistribute wealth. If there are, then some of them have to die. Either this happens coincidentally, or we kill them.

Personally, I am confident that the planet - and, indeed, Britain - can support many more people than it does already. Population, like it or not, is largely self-limiting in response to available resources. But this increase (which is inevitable if we keep living longer) can only happen if we start sharing wealth and knowledge in exchange for land and resources.

It is ultimately likely that the concept of a nation state will become outmoded and preposterous. Until it does, you must expect people with less to be attracted to what we have and to try to get some of it.

But really, pinning our hopes on returning to a society where we attempt to be self-sufficient - have you actually given this any thought? Where is the coal and oil going to come from? If from abroad, we'll need to export sometihng to pay for it - what will we have if we're all busy making our own clothes? Where, given our climate, is citrus fruit going to come from? Who is going to move into high-rises to free up the extra arable farmland and grazing we will need for basic crops and livestock?

I like a good debate as much as the next man or woman, but please, if you expect to be taken seriously, say something serious.

clemette · 10/07/2009 19:12

"it's a good job you're not running the country clemette..it would be in a bigger mess than it is already."
Indeed, I am a dreadful housekeeper and have a tendency to cry when frustrated.

sagacious · 10/07/2009 19:13

Nick Griffin for example is a twat.

JonAndHate · 10/07/2009 19:31

dp I find it difficult to understand how you can feel so strongly about and fiercely defend your right to live in a democracy, being able to voice your opinions, and so on but think we should turn our backs on some people who are tortured, persecuted for even dreaming of being able to do the same.

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion · 10/07/2009 19:34

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Mamazon · 10/07/2009 19:36

what fantabulous news.

The BBC really do need to give him more air time. the more he talks the more ridiculous he sounds.

at present he's terrifying because people don't get to hear this bolleux before they vote for him

JonAndHate · 10/07/2009 19:40

onagar you may want to think that asylum seekers are treated fairly but it doesn't always happen

Jaquelinehyde · 10/07/2009 21:25

Daftpunk "Its with some asylum seekers"

FAQ "ermm which ones would those be??"

Jaquelinehyde - That would be the black ones then.

clemette · 10/07/2009 21:41

"Daftpunk will defend to the hilt teh rights of the RIGHT kind of people. People she approves of. White, married, non-disabled straight people."
reality unless of course they are all of the above AND tolerant. Then she labels us idiots.

FAQinglovely · 10/07/2009 21:42

"It makes it worse, but the cause is having more children than needed to replace the adults. "

well we could always try the Chinese one child per family policy - that's done great things for them you know

FAQinglovely · 10/07/2009 21:43

"it's a good job you're not running the country clemette..it would be in a bigger mess than it is already."
Indeed, I am a dreadful housekeeper and have a tendency to cry when frustrated. "

PMSL - that HAS to be quote of the week

Spidermama · 10/07/2009 21:47

Digging his own grave pne would hope.

JonAndHate · 10/07/2009 22:10

Genuine question: Why do some people think there are too many immigrants in this country?

Is it a feeling? seeing more non-white people walking about? what the DM news say? xenophobia? racism? what in actual terms makes people think this?

I don't get the "they take all our jobs" thing either. It never seems to apply to high paid white workers (from NZ/USA/Oz/EU15/etc) who are even referred to differently: they relocate or are called expats.
Only to Eastern Europeans or people from poorer countries. And they're either taking all the jobs that no one else can be bothered to do or living off benefits as a way of life like a significant number of Brits...

daftpunk · 11/07/2009 10:20

jonandhate.....just because i think immigration is problem doesn't make me Rudolf Hess ..it's almost impossible to have a reasoned discussion on here about certain subjects.....some people get too hysterical.

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 11:30

dp, apart from 'people have had enough' etc wrt to the BNP, what exactly is your problem with immigration? how is it impacting on your life right now?

policywonk · 11/07/2009 11:31

Jon, I think it is xenophobia, basically. Not necessarily racism, but fear/dislike/irritation at what happens when people from noticeably different cultures (so not US, Anzac etc) move to the UK in large numbers.

Homogenous, settled, overwhelmingly indigenous communities undergo significant changes when people from other cultures move in in numbers. Over generations such communities come to terms with the changes, but the first generation tends to struggle. (I'd imagine that this is the case anywhere in the world.)

Added to this, you have the problem of a populist right-wing press with a history of racism, and no compunction about making up lies (such as the myth about immigrants jumping housing queues, which was systematically exploded in a report last week).

Actually, the lack of affordable/social housing in the UK - kickstarted by Thatcher and not properly addressed by New Labour - is an aggravating factor.

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 11:33

lack of social housing a big part of it, imo, pw. it caused problems up here when asylum seekers were transported here en masse and given basic amenities.

policywonk · 11/07/2009 11:38

Yes, Aitch. Shameful that Labour have done bugger all about it in all the time they've been in power. Doesn't take a genius to see that it's caused a lot of aggravation (and worse up there, yes?) for immigrants - not to mention indigenous British people who just need to be housed.