NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

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I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

"you don't have a problem with illegal immigrants?...so you think it's ok for an illegal to come into this country and work as,.... lets say a cab driver....no insurance/no tax...no nothing...picking up young women....you're ok with that are you?"
Your point being DP?? That illegal immigrants are also what - rapists?

aitch..immigratation isn't impacting on my life much tbh...but i don't have a "ME ME ME" attitude. immigration is having an impact on alot of people, these people (traditional labour voters most of them) feel let down and frustrated.....politicians have to listen to the BNP voters..it's crucial.

blackduck...of course it's possible that an illegal immigrant could be a rapist...what are you trying to say?..that only people who enter the country legally or were born here are possible rapists??....

I am "traditional" labour voter - and come from a family of "hard line" labour supporters.

I am disillusioned with labour - not on the point of immigration, but numerous other issues too lengthy to go into detail about on this thread. However, I will never ever vote Tory.

no FAQ neither will i..UKIP are just tories on acid...but i'm not sure i'll vote labour anymore....i'm in the political wilderness atm.

This is quite incredible. How is Daftpunk not left wing? (this is not the same is being a marxist/communitst/socialist). Left wing politics has moved on, as the world has - the children of '68 however, are still refusing to grow up.

Socialism isn't actually about 'equal opportiunity for all'. At best, it's about equal opportunity for other socialists - after the bloody revolutuon, that is.

People should really begin to read the socialist worker after they buy it.

" You may not agree with my politics but that doesn't mean they are not equally valid (if not more so as mine aren't diluted by bile and vitriol)."

Sorry? Did the same person who said that they believe in 'equal opportunity for all' say this too? How does that scan? And come to think of it, it reminds me of somehting...something about all animals being equal, but actually, some being more equal than others...

I'll take DP's liberalism over this quasi-totalitarian shit any day.

actually - drop the 'quasi'

but wrt the rapist taxi drivers, i think your beef there is with unlicensed cabs rather than asylum seekers, dp. there i'd agree with you of course, taxi drivers should be licensed.

so it's not impacting on you, it's not impacting on me.(there's a big area near me where lots of asylum seekers live, it's getting torn down now thanks to imo the headlines it got. it was a big trouble zone a few years ago but actually recently there have been surveys taken that show that 70% of people living there, asylum seekers and indigenous, are happy with it and don't want it to be torn down. i'm not really sure what's going to happen to replace it.)

so who is it affecting, do you think? in real terms what is the impact on the people who are complaining?

if liberals and 'leftists' do not have the courage to engage in these debates unfettered by whatever ideology they hold true to, if they cannot see that reasonable people have reasonable questions that they want answered; if they simply cast these people as billious and hateful, who will these reasonable people then have to turn to?

Nick Griffin. That is a very scary thought. By refusing to engage in open and unjudgemental dialogue they are playing right into the facists hands.

what are the reasonable questions, mt? that's what i'm trying to find out.

Aitch - that would be

"why don't we just send all the scrounging asylum seekers home"

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"(cory, pedant alert but the Vikings and Normans were separated by 400 years)"

pedant alert: the first raids were conducted in the 8th century, but the main bulk of settlers came later

haha - even the poor immigrants who are nothing more than dust now - having been dead for centuries are now being argued about as well

only on MN

besides - it's all their sodding fault isn't it - we should send the whole lot back

my concern is that the actual numbers of asylum seekers are exaggerated so greatly by the daily mail and by the bnp etc that they become the target despite being a drop in the ocean.

i've interviewed teachers and the headmaster from teh school local to the really pretty grim estate where our local asylum seekers were dumped. they all said that they felt the school had been improved quite dramatically because many refugee parents were so keen to see their children educated, seeing education as the key to liberation. this has had a great effect on the indigenous children (as has seeing their friends disappear overnight after dawn raids), politicising them and encouraging them to raise their game educationally. of course it seemed to me that the head had done a bloody good job of integrating the children. nothing's perfect, he told me, but some of the hair-raising stories the AS kids have, you'd have to be a pretty committed racist to not feel compassion.

economic immigration a more interesting area, not something i know a great deal about. we have quite a few polish people up here but say for example wrt medical stuff it's interesting that to have their babies a lot of the women go home when they stop working. 'course they do, they want their mums same as us but according to obstetrician pal they just don't trust the NHS to do a good job for them. i should imagine language issues would come up too.

if economic migrants are coming here and signing on (are they? can they?) then i can see how that might get on people's nerves, especially if they don't feel like their needs are being met and their own children lack opportunity in the job market.

I very much doubt that economic migrants can come here and sign on - surely you have to have paid a certain amount of NI? I could be wrong though.

i'd have thought so, pw.

Economic migrants usually come in on Tier 1 (used to be Highly Skilled Migrant Programme) or Tier 2 (employer-sponsored work permit; employer must demonstrate to the Home Office that no suitable British or EU/EEA national could be found to do the job) visas.

Neither of these allow any recourse to public funds.

You lose your job, you can't sign on, get housing benefit or even tax credits.

For 5 years.

Student visas = no recourse to public funds.

Initial, two-year spouse visas (FLR(M)) = no recourse to public funds.

Youth Mobility Scheme (formerly Working Holiday Maker visa for Commonwealth nationals) = no recourse to public funds.

In some instances, having paid enough NI, for example, such migrants might be able to claim contribution-based Job Seeker's Allowance.

BUT they can't get anything else to go with it - housing/council tax benefit, child benefits, tax credits, etc. so they'd definitely need supplementary savings/income to support themselves.

I hate threads that start out with the outrageous BNP fascist remarks, that turn into reasonable debate about immigration policy, via the much cited remarks, 'oooh, maybe they do have a point...small island, limited resources....'

The BNP is not a reasonable party.

The ones DP has been trying to ask then and been villified for it, Aitch

no, but then we live in a democracy and if the existence of jeremy kyle tells us anything it's that there is a tremendous amount of thickoes out there, all dispossessed and disenfranchised. and at the moment, the BNP seems to be in the throes of a seduction of that demographic.

can you delineate those concerns, mt? i've not read in massive detail but she does seem to be drawing a clear correlation between being an asylum seeker and being a rapist.

oh aitch - of course they're a minority - even at the high estimates of 40-50,000 a year (most of who of course are refused refugee status anyhow) - it doesn't take a genius to work out that the population isn't going to increase by 7 million in the next 20yrs purely by their doing alone

aitch..you are deliberately missing my point...it's impossible to reason with you, i can understand why some labour voters have turned to the BNP.....no one listened to them.