Michael Jackson is dead

[QOD]

sad

dittany, true, the number of false allegations is infinitesimal compared to the number of actual instances of child sexual abuse, however your average joe bloggs can be falsely accused, for whatever reason, accusing MJ those parents had a lot more to gain than if they accused a nobody, yes MJs actions, if true, were innapropriate, wrong and damaging, but as far as I am aware he was not accused of raping or perfoming sexual acts with these children?? I think MJ was a little boy in a mans body, he was, stupid, naive, and ignorant to the seriousness of his actions, if they did in fact take place. Also I do agree if it did happen, of course those children were victims.

P.S No dittany, I have no personal issues with this at all - just think it's dangerous and ignorant when people take out theirs on the wrong target

The parents are getting the blame, by the way, for admitting to allowing their children to stay with MJ so that they could subsequently make malicious allegations.

The majority of children who stayed at MJ (and after all there were hundreds weren't there) have made no complaints, and neither have their parents, because they made that choice and were decent enough to not have a hidden agenda.

lololololol at "sheer genius"

WHAT?!?!? He was utterly a-musical

a strung-out shrieking freak with spaghetti legs

good riddance to bad rubbish

Anyway, he is a legend - the tributes have been fab, and show exactly how talented and unique he was. The range of what he did is incredible - re inventing himself at each phase in such exciting ways. Sadly, a tragic personal life does seem to go hand in hand with artistic brilliance.

I was just having a quick glance at the thread to see what the uproar was about.

Greensleeves.

"good riddance to bad rubbish" What a heartless thing to say about somebody who has just died. No matter who it is.

I teach my dc that if you can't say something nice - don't say anything at all.

for someone who was a-musical he done pretty well shifting 750 million albums eh?

Hear hear tiredville.

lol, yes the music industry tends to encourage the scum rather than the cream to the top

either that or the Cheeky Girls are talented

I don't generally dance on people's graves, but he is an exception. Filthy bastard.

and I don't think I want everything I say to be "nice" necessarily - sometimes I think it's important to try and represent a different view in the face of all the ridiculous hagiography

"I think MJ was a little boy in a mans body, he was, stupid, naive, and ignorant to the seriousness of his actions, if they did in fact take place. Also I do agree if it did happen, of course those children were victims."

So many saying things like this. So what? Do you think it makes it ok if your average paedophile is in denial about the damage they do? Is that really an excuse?

Likewise people saying he was damaged, abused himself, what has that got to do with anything. Being abused yourself does not give you the right to create more victims.

Did anyone see the BBC news this morning?

Adoring fans in the USA who are planning on raising money for MJ's estate to pay off his debts

Great idea, help out the Jackson family who have squandered millions/billions on theme parks and oxygen tanks/plastic surgery whilst people are living in real poverty struggling to feed and clothe their kids.

Dancing on people's graves? Lovely stuff - must make your kids very proud of you!

who said anything about it being ok for him to go ahead an abuse beacuse of his miserable childhood? A % of people on here do not believe he was a paedophile, perhaps an odd ball yes, but not a child abuser.

that was me btw - namechanged for another thread and as usual have been too useless to remember

"dancing on people's ghraves" - I did say I DON'T generally, and it wasn't a nice thing to say.

But I really, really loathed him for what he did and don't think it suddenly becomes wrong to say so just because he has died.

In fact I think it's really wrong to have threads full of people wittering about how misunderstood he was and how he couldn't help it. Really revolting.

but yes, I think my kids are fairly proud of me - but of course I wouldn't be having this dialogue with them, because they're too young.

So many saying things like this. So what? Do you think it makes it ok if your average paedophile is in denial about the damage they do? Is that really an excuse?

Absolutely not, its no exuse, but then I never said I think he is a paedophile, and I dont think he is a paedophile, even if he did share a bed with those children ( to sleep next to sleep}, in my mind that does not make him a paedophile, just stupid and naive.

I think you're talking to a brick wall whoingodsname. The people who have decided in their own minds that MJ was a paedophile are convinced that any of us who aren't slating him are excusing paedophiles.

I haven't read a single post on here that defends paedophiles.

Many people do not believe that MJ was a paedophile, therefore there is nothing to make an excuse about! The facts are that he was never convicted of any offence. (Not that some people are interested in facts)

I was tempted to write that middle paragraph in capitals because so many people seem to be missing that point, but apparently some posters find capital letters offensive.....

regardless of him being MJ, if I thought for one minute he was a paedophile I too would be skipping with you Greensleeves. But having children (unrelated) sleep in your bed doesn't proove you are an abuser I'm afraid. I always believed he was an odd ball, manchild type figure. Looking back on that bit of footage showing him sitting up a tree in his garden gave me the impression he was a twelve year old trapped in an older mans body.
Again, the dangling of the baby over the balcony is something a stupid teenage boy would do to show baby off to his mates.

Yes, I think you are right violethill
Unfortunately I have seen both sides of the coin, my father is a paedophile, I was his victim, he was'nt convicted, I also have a male friend who was accused of sexual abuse, by his own sister againsed her children, he was found innocent, and I 100% believe he is innocent, she later went on to accuse 4 other men of the same thing. Its a sad world.

Abandoning every effort to be humble, KerryMumbles tells us that she is:

" ... well-educated, intelligent and well-travelled and [has] lived a long and varied life and seen a lot."

She is also "American" and "knows lots of people in the entertainment industry".

Let's hope she doesn't end up on your jury the next time you're accused of doing something you haven't done.

KerryMumbles hates "fucking paedophiles" and according to her logic, everyone who is accused of being a "fucking paedophile" must fucking be one, regardless of whether there is any evidence against them or not.

An intelligent and sophisticated world-view that was clearly influenced by her superior education.

A lot of convicted and prolific paedophiles DO exhibit the "child in a man's body" profile though. Clearly he was emotionally and sexually stunted.

But I think it's ludicrous to suggest that he did nothing untoward with those children. The amount of money he paid that family to back off says otherwise, as does all the other evidence I've read.