Michael Jackson is dead

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sad

very true bobbysmum.

Sadly, some people don't have the intelligence to look at the facts and just jump on the daily-mail-reading-thick-as-pigshit bandwagon, and scream 'peodophile' while wetting their knickers in excitement.

The people who have posted on here calling Michael Jackson a child molester.... how would you feel if someone calls you, or your husband, the same thing one day and says they hope you burn in hell?
What's that - you have no criminal convictions? Why the hell should that matter? Fuck the criminal justice system shall we, and let the daily mail brigade rule? Jesus, some of you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Not that you will be though - you're too damn self righteous and stupid.

Michael Jackson was not convicted of any offences. So whatever you think of his eccentric, lonely, screwed up life, please show a little bit of intelligence and stop referring to him as a child molester.

have been watching some early videos and it struck me how natural and confident he was then,changing from about 1990.
back then I was into different music but incredible talent shines through in the Jackson Five and off the wall era.

I feel very sad ~ not so much for his death but for that bright amazingly coordinated boy who,apart from his obvious love of the music never got to enjoy his life.

I don't thinkfor a moment he was a paedophile~ if that were the case many more would have come forward.
He was badly managed,not protected from the effects of money and publicity and became isolated ~ not healthy especially for such a bright spark.Its like footballers in the 70s and 80s who weren't protected and couldn't cope.Very sad.
RIP

This is a distasteful thread. He was a case of arrested emotional and probably sexual development. It's clear that he never molested anyone Kerry. He was found innocent. My take is that some sick parents just wanted to make money out of him.

And I don't know many modern performers who could write songs that appealed to millions, sing them and dance as well. So let that be his epitaph.

kerry you've appointed yourself as judge and jury.
no evidence and no conviction so don't take your anger out on him.

It is clear that he never molested anyone. In fact, I don't know anyone in real life who believes he did.

And drawing comparisons with paedophile priests is just arbitrary and ... cruel.

As if he wasn't a tragic enough figure in life. For God's sake, leave him alone in death.

I don't know if you read the case of Shannon Matthews, Kerry. But I'm perfectly convinced that the parents of the children who accused MJ were of the same ilk.

MJ had a miserable life by all accounts. Not fair to badmouth him on the say-so of seriously money hungry parents.

Many years ago I came across a book written by the family of Jordy Chandler and one bit has always stayed with me. It was that they thought for quite a while that the dynamic between MJ and their under-age son was a, "gay love relationship" and didn't initially think that it was wrong or illegal. Apparently they used to joke, "is Michael you up the ?"

I found that very very strange. It would be a bit odd but maybe understandable if they had said that they thought the cuddles in bed were perfectly innocent, but that they seemed to accept the inappropriate behaviour until someone else, (apparently) pointed out that they could sue... ? I would be expecting the U.S equivalent of SS to be hammering on my door if I had admitted something like that.

Not excusing MJ in any way, he didn't do himself any favours innocent or guilty, but it seems to point to a sort of moral bankruptcy which may be all-too prevalent in Hollywood. The Arviso parents were the same IMO.

For what it's worth I don't think he was a classic paedophile. I think he was a uniquely screwed up individual who had to repress his sexuality and also psychologically locked in a young age.

I do not for a moment believe he was an evil or malign predator of children.

I don't think the family of Jordan Chandler were that naive or stupid.

The father was a celebrity dentist and wannabe screenwriter. He knew exactly what was what.

The family of the other kid were just as greedy but less sophisticated. Their big mistake was taking the stand. None of them were clever enough to lie convincingly.

In the letest development to the Jordan Chandler saga, Evan Chandler went after his now-grown son with a crow bar. Jordan sued him, citing attempted murder.

Absolutely charming family.

So it's OK for a male celebrity to admit sharing his bed with children if the child's family are unpleasant? Gosh. I hadn't realised inappropriate behaviour with children was less reprehensible if the child was unfortunate enough to have unattractive parents.

Can't you read? The child's family were liars and professional scam artists who routinely made sexual molestation allegations to extort money from people.

'I mean are people seriously saying it's perfectly acceptable for him to sleep with young boys, not his own and give them booze?'

Yawn. This is getting a bit tedious. I haven't seen anyone on this thread say that they think MJ was a normal, well adjusted person who always behaved in a sensible and well adjusted way in his personal life. For christs sake, do you not actually read the posts?

Most people are saying quite the opposite - that he was a creative genius, hugely talented, but was screwed up by his father, and was never able to make the transition to adulthood properly. He then lacked the guidance he needed to cope with fame and fortune. He came across, certainly for the last 15 or so years, as a tortured, lonely soul who was unable to enjoy his success.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A PEODOPHILE. I agree with whoever said that if it were true, there would be HUNDREDS of now fully grown adults coming out of the woodwork. Fact is, they aren't. These people, as children, were quite happy to visit MJ. Their parents were quite happy for them to visit MJ. They do not feel abused, manipulated or hurt. There were TWO cases of parents who subsequently (after letting their children stay with MJ) cried 'abuse!' and both these cases were totally discredited. The parents were evil and manipulative and saw an opportunity to make a shedload of money. MJ has never been convicted of offences.

There is far too much transference by a small number of people on here. If you have issues yourself about abuse, deal with it through an appropriate process, not by flaming people who are innocent. This feels a little like those cases where people had their homes burned to the ground or were beaten up just because they happened to look a bit like someone with a child sex offence conviction.Ignorant, dangerous stuff.

Can't you read, Bobby'smum? MJ admitted sharing his bed with children. It's not an allegation, he said it with his own mouth in his own words.

So does sharing your bed with a child automatically make someone a child molester?

exactly VH.

edam..i'm talking to you on the other thread...

is there a thread where people can just talk about his music? this thread is a little crazeeee

Sharing a bed with a child who is not your own is rather dubious behaviour. Sharing your bed with dozens of children who are not your own over a sustained period is seriously dubious behaviour. In anyone other than a massively rich, talented celebrity, it wouldn't be acceptable.

the parents of those children didn't seem to care did they?

You know, as we all do, I hate peodophiles, I have experience of a few as a child, and I would spit in the face of any peodophile thast crosses my path, however I dont scream peodophile at everyone that has been accused, unless convicted and I believe whatever MJ might have done, he done with the innocence of a childs mind, in his own mind, I dont believe he was evil in any way, he was a classic manchild who never had the chance of a normal childhood, he worked and never played. RIP MJ.