UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

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I always assumed they were lying because they were a bit more pissed than they let on and the checking wasn't regular if at all and so the neglect element seemed to be something that docs would want to cover up.If as the restaurant staff said no one left the table there was time for an abductor to get in and out and leave no trace but if their timeline is to be believed then it was impossible.Also they had the timeline already written on a piece of paper ready to hand to the police when they arrived which seems v strange although that might just be me.

It's like politicians caught out in a lie: if they'd just been totally straight about everything from the get go, they'd have more credibility/garner more sympathy.

I'm with you there, noddy.

Do you know what. I don't have grounds really for feeling the way I do about it. I tend to go by people's faces, and often I am wrong...body language, expression, tone, etc.

I am probably completely wrong, as I said, but based on these things I find it really, really hard to trust these people.

Which of course means nothing and you could probably base a whole court case on the premise that because I think someone is lying, they are highly likely to be telling the truth

I tell you what I can't get my head around. One of the group allegedly came back to the table in clean clothes and later told the police it was because his daughter had vomited on him during one of the 'routine checks'.

If that's true, it's one of worst things I've ever heard. If it was a lie, it had to be covering up something really really bad.

what kind of father would check on their child, the poor child to be sick enough to actually vomit everywhere on them and then change and go back out to dinner?? I never heard that before bobbysmum - that is beyond dodgy....

I tell you what I can't get my head around. What sort of publications some people read to find out 'facts' like the one above.

"But Amaral, what with his book and his documentary and his desperate attempts to mend his dented macho ego is just making a fool of himself..."

Oh my word I couldn't agree more! The thing that struck me most about that docu was the opening titles that had 'Featuring Amaral Goncalo' on for about 5 seconds. It was supposed to be a docu about a 'dead' child but he headlines it like he's fecking Columbo, even if the it hadn't have been so full of holes that I could have strained my tea with it I still would have had trouble taking it seriously. There wasn't one piece of evidence presented, in fact in the whole of the case, I think the only thing that can be safely said is that MM went missing...full stop. Nothing makes sense within either scenario (accident or abduction)

The whole MM case leaves a bad taste in my mouth tbh, no one is beyond reprehension, not the parents, friends, police, press, the politicians, the McCann's investigators and the public.

How on earth is revealing a potential suspects name of any help to the investigation (peado or not)? It wasn't as if they didn't know where he was in order to question him. Bah!

I doubt very much that M will be found dead or alive and either way I'm pretty certain we will never know who did what and what actually happened that night, what bothers me is the lack of sympathy coupled with critical thinking. I have sympathy for the McCann's that's not to say I don't think that are not potentially involved, it's as likely as any other scenario but until there is any evidence either way then we how on earth does anybody think the 'know' anything. The whole thing stinks to high heaven!!

I think you are right, roses, that we may never know...also it is possible not to 'like' people in the public eye, based on however spurious information, and I'd suggest that many people simply just do not 'like' the McCanns - or the image they present.

That by no means indicates their potential as colluding in some plot, merely a phenomenon of their publicity.

Violet no publication has printed those facts mores the pity.But the police files covering the whole case are available to read online and are full of such info.Kates interview v telling as she said she didn't physically search as it was too dark but was v busy behind the scenes.I agree with whoever said we will prob never know

I do wonder if they lied about how regularly they checked the children. In the reconstruction on tv recently it looked like they were all going backwards and forwards to the apartment and it would have been very difficult for an intruder to be sure he wouldn't be caught. The audacity of someone going in and taking her makes me think that they did leave them alone for long periods.

At the time of the abduction I remember being amazed that the other couple had left a vomiting child on her own.

seems as though many posters can't help but insinuate that the parents did it. Unless you are very very certain that they did it then you are all very cruel and highly insensitive because you could be (just maybe) accusing parents who have lost a child in tragic circumstances. I wish you all well and hope that you never experience anything similar or be the victim of any horrendous crime. I REALLY hope that you do not!

Nikos- just suppose you did something silly and irresponsible which led to someone dear coming to harm. Would you hope for some compassion or for people to keep throwing it in your face. As I said, I really hope that everything works out perfectly in your life.

But I wouldn't do it - that's the point. And no doubt if they lied about the times of the checks it is because they knew they shouldn't have done it. And leaving a vomiting child on their own is not 'silly'. It's downright dangerous.

so that makes it okay for the McCann's minions to go and out whoever they want, chase them, give their names of photos to the media no matter what their background (Robert Murat springs to mind, a man with NO criminal record) and try to hound them into talking to the cops, ToughDaddy?

because i think that's bollocks myself and i'd have to be on the receiving end of that and have my life near ruined because of their almight cock-up.

I agree the priciple that Ms are innocent until proven guilty, in precisely the same way the man in Germany is innocent until proven guilty. Not unreasonable to apply the same rules to all.
Equally the man in Germany has every right to protest that he is under no obligation, moral, legal or otherwise, to answer questions from the McCs henchmen, only pretend detectives, while the child's own mother, Kate McC admitted she was hindering the investigation by refusing to answer 40 questions put by the real police...

I have had yound child be sick on me just out of lifting them without them being ill. Many of you are posting opinions based on 3rd hand stuff.

I am going to leave this very unpleasant discussion now as I am finding many you lacking in empathy but most of all insensitive to what could be innocent suffering parents.

It's not third hand. The couple themselves said at the time the child had been sick.

It is not 3rd hand at all.You are now summising.The interviews are available for all to read and are signed and dated by all of them.They make some pretty damning admissions wrt the sick child.They left her knowing she was sick and after he had changed the bed he returned to the bar???When asked if the little girl was asleep when they went out it took KM about 30 seconds of mmm'ing to say she wasn't sure but thinks she was.Would you really leave a 3 yr old awake in an unlocked holiday appt.

Noddy - I would not bother responding to TD - he appears to have a closed mind, and in any case has flounced...

and they also said they had requested a change of sheets ,but housekeeping at Ocean club said they didn't.
ToughDaddy- I really don't think the McCanns are a } going to be logging onto this thread and b] If they believe their daughter is out there, any publicity is good publicity in raising the profile of the case .Maybe your concern at me for being so cruel as to suspect their involvment, will move you to make a donation to the fund.

This thread is full of people summising and making assumptions. If the law in Germany is 'innocent until proven guilty' then that should hold true for all, even of a known and previously convicted paedophile (let's be clear that the man being questioned has significant previous 'form' and the Mccanns don't).

You are right MrsGuyOfGisbourne and noddyholder, don't react. What each of you has said so far is not damning the McCann's but saying WWYD effectively.

It appears to me that the group of parents habitually left the children to sleep whilst they enjoyed their evenings over the course of the week, hence why they were so relaxed about it. What is galling (and I am in no way discounting that they made a mistake and have paid for it) is that they were all well paid professional people who could have easily afforded to pay for the night creche or even local baby sitters. I personally would never go to the pub across the road or to a neighbours in the UK and leave my children asleep at home. Why would you do it on holiday? And if MM was abducted then they probably did it every night of the holiday from day one, and thought "that went well (day one) so we'll do it tomorrow"...best case scenario.

If it was a tragic accident, then perhaps it was the first night they'd left them....

I think the majority of people posting here and in general would just take the kids for a meal, then sit outside the appartments with vino quaffing within spitting distance of the rooms....or just be adults and accept that we cannot go out and get hammered like teenagers anymore.

Izyboy/Violet hall - People are not making 'assumptions' they are discussing details given in signed witness statement and other evidence which is now in the public domain and is published on the web.

KS that would be fine if the 'details' were stated without judgements being made at the same time. The 'factual' elements get lost when people start assuming intent and making judgements about the so called 'details'. As of this moment nobody has been found guilty of any 'crime'. In this country the Mccanns are innocent until proven guilty.

This debate is very interesting. Has been going on for years now in different guises and is now fairly futile and brings out the worst in MNers. I should point out that there is a difference between being a bad parent and being a murderer.