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Poor Jade fading fast - she looks quite beautiful......

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PillicockSatOnPillicockHill · 27/02/2009 21:44

and do you know what

i wont have a bad word said about her

Poor girl

Shit parents and crappy childhood
YES she went in BB and acted like a fool and YES she went in BB a second ime and said some ignorant racist stuff

but she was 'ill educated' and she did not 'know better' but in her favour :

she educated herself

she learned her lesson

she apologised and meant it

I AM a fan of Jade

I like her a lot and feel much sadness at this vibrant and humour full life cut short

Her little boys were goign to have the mother she never had and i SO relate to that

so KISSES for Jade tonight and much love -sign in if you wish !

No dessention please - not on here!

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bytheLiffey · 28/02/2009 12:34

Yes RR, it shows how distorted our perception of beauty has become.

Perception of beauty was (evolutionary speaking) based on perfect symmetry and various other signs of health and fertility.

ANd yet, Jade looks more conventionally beautiful now. Weird isn't it.

Threadworm · 28/02/2009 12:35

What a strangely bad-tempered thread. surely it's quite reasonable to speculate that some of the sentiment around Jade Goody's death is, as Issy said so well, the sort of 'evoked sentiment' that we have in response to fictionalised characters.

That sort of sentiment characterises a lot of our relationship with slebs, but it is particularly strong in her case. She's about the nearest we've got so far to The Truman Show.

I don't think it is cold-hearted to the real Jade Goody to discuss that. In fact I think it is more respectful than anything else.

And the remark about 2shoes was vile and unmerited.

daftpunk · 28/02/2009 12:43

op; i agree with you.

i like jade, always have...why can't people just leave her alone...she is dying fgs.

wannaBe · 28/02/2009 13:00

Good God. This is rubbernecking at its peak.

It is one thing to express sadness or shock at the death, or iminent death of someone, to feel that it is sad for the loved ones they have left/will leave behind. Picking over all the sensationalist details and speculating over what is/was/might be is quite another.

"oh she's fading fast/has gone into a hospice/oh didn't realize it was that bad/oh maybe she's gone to have her meds reviewed/do you think so?/yes sometimes that happens/let's hope so." ... and on and on and on. That is not expressing sadness it is delighting in every report.

And before I am accused of bashing Jade, I'm not. It is of course very sad for her friends and her family that she is dying. And it brings a message home that we are all mortal, and that one day, we are all going to die, and for some of us, that is going to happen sooner than for others. But it is not personally sad for anyone else. And while people may feel sad for her, all this personal sadness is just people wanting to be a part of something they're not, and not even entitled to.

Ultimately it's about limits, and about what is appropriate to be newsworthy and what isn't. So Jade has been diagnosed with cancer/has been told she has months to live after cancer has spread and then Jade dies (when it happens) would be news. But imo a line is crossed when it is reported that Jade has gone into a hospice/has come out of hospice/has gone back into hospice/the family are gathered at the bedside... you get the idea, because at that point you go into reporting for the sake of reporting, to keep the papers selling/keep up the public interest. Those are the sorts of details you would tell the closest family, not advertise for all to know.

In the same way as for those who have compared with the death of DC's son, it is appropriate to have reported that DC's son has died, and to say how sad it was, and no doubt the date of the funeral will be reported. But again a line is crossed when a photo of DC and his wife was taken coming out of the hospital having left him there.

The public doesn't need to know certain details. People have a right to their privacy, and their dignity. And this isn't all about Jade making money, Jade doesn't make a cut of the prophits of the papers, this is about max Clifford, and the tabloids making money.

violethill · 28/02/2009 13:14

I agree wannabe.

daftpunk · 28/02/2009 13:19

it's sad that jades life ( & imminent death) have been a media circus....but she agreed to this, she could have shut herself away and requested no publicity, i don't think max clifford would have been hassling her.....she has been very brave by allowing her every move to be photographed/reported, ultimately she is saving lives...how many more women have had smear tests because of jade?

GypsyMoth · 28/02/2009 13:21

Maybe she looks so well cos her make up.......some of it.....is tattooed on. Lips and eybrows I think.

MrsFreud · 28/02/2009 13:44

good post wannabe.

Daftpunk so now "shes saving lives" is she?? FFS listen to yourself, there you are giving her the Diana halo effect.

She isn't saving lives, that's just a side effect of the money making publicity she is paying Max Clifford for.

This kind of tabloid celebrity is about money, don't kid yourself its about anything else!!

Compare that to the other deaths mentioned on here and you see they never earnt a penny out of the publicity. Thats what makes so many people feel uncomfortable here, the feeling of being manipulated.

daftpunk · 28/02/2009 13:57

MrsFreud;

i'm not kidding myself..i know alot of people are getting rich on jades misery..i'm not stupid....but she has saved lives..i'm certain of that.

i haven't actually read the whole thread..just the op and wannabes...so i don't know what other deaths have been mentioned.....i thought this was a thread just about jade?

and why would people feel manipulated? you don't have to buy the papers/magazines do you....and i'm not giving her the "halo effect"....i just wouldn't kick anyone when they're down.

JollyPirate · 28/02/2009 14:08

Jade has been very open about her condition.

Jade has shocked alot of young women into realising that cervical cancer happens and can be fatal.

Cervical smears (the uptake of) have gone up by 20%.

A tiny minority of these will show changes that may well develop into full blown cancer.

So - in a way Jade may well save some lives.

SuperMario · 28/02/2009 14:13

"dissent" " no dissent"
isnt it?

SuperMario · 28/02/2009 14:13

I love competitive sadding threads.

smallorange · 28/02/2009 14:28

You know, I don't really care about Jade. I feel sorry for her predicament and if I look at mumsnet I'll have a passing 'oh what a shame,' feeling - but in the end I don't really care. And none of you do either.

Because when she does finally check out, you will all carry on as before, eating your breakfast, going to work, flicking through the shit on telly, arguing about moldies on mumsnet.

And you will think it's sad but the reality is that you only know a media construction of Jade, you probably wouldn't like her in real life and to pretend otherwise is delusional at best.

I'm sure all of us have experienced wrenching grief over the death of a loved one. Your life is never the same again. This mawkish sentimentality makes me feel sick to be honest.

wannaBe · 28/02/2009 14:32

"why can't people just leave her alone...she is dying fgs."

Daftpunk can you not see the irony of that statement? "leave her alone" exactly. leave her alone to die in peace and dignity without the rubberneckers baying for the next detail so they can cry and wail and declare how it has affected them all over again.

"she has saved lives" no I don't think so. The publicity over her illness may have caused more women to go for smeers than is the norm, and as a result some cancers may be detected, but let's not kid ourselves that all this publicity has been for the good of the public - the publicity has been in order for Jade to make money, with awareness being somewhat of an afterthought on the part of Max Clifford. The fact that people may have been scared into going for a smeer is really just a bi-product of the whole money-making aspect of all this.

daftpunk · 28/02/2009 14:47

wannabe;....my "just leave her alone" comment was aimed at the people who are still slating her for the BB incident...she made a mistake...who doesn't?

" she has saved lives" no i don't think so. the publicity over her illness may have caused more women to go for smears than is the norn, and as a result some cancers may be detected.......can you not see the irony in that statement? either she's saving lives or she isn't?....and tbh, does it matter if max clifford has made some money out of it?...if just one young woman's life is saved over all this..that's fine by me.

weepootle · 28/02/2009 15:07

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wannaBe · 28/02/2009 15:47

no she has not saved lives. Some of the publicity over what could happen to one person if you fail to have a smeer might save lives, it just so happens there is a publically known person to whom this is all happening at the moment. But it is not the same as saying that someone has saved lives. She is not a hero, she is a young woman who is dying of cancer, and who happens to have made this fact public in order to make money. Her reasons for publicity are not altruistic - they are being done for her own reasons, but they are not for the greater good iyswim.

As for Max Clifford making money out of this I think it is quite relevant actually. Max Clifford claims to be her friend. What kind of friend makes money out of publicising the suffering of one of their "friends"?

JollyPirate · 28/02/2009 15:57

Yes - would definitely agree that the uptake of smears has been as a result of the whole money making thing and I know Jade did the whole thing to raise cash for her family. Awareness being raised is good though - no matter how it happens. So inadvertently she may have done a little bit of good.

I am sad for her and her family but not caught up in it the way I know some people are. She's 27 and a Mum so a lot of people identify with that.

2shoes · 28/02/2009 16:05

wow someone on here doesn't like me

MrsFreud · 28/02/2009 16:12

but 2shoes do they really "know" you, or just your publicised persona?

2shoes · 28/02/2009 16:17

no idea, but 2 pesonal attacks on one thread, reeks of weirdness to me(who are they anyway?)

herbietea · 28/02/2009 16:26

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Desiderata · 28/02/2009 16:34

Guess which camp I'm in ...

AitchTwoOh · 28/02/2009 16:38

bless her, she probably is nice enough but i've seen a couple of shows where she has shown really extraordinary anger issues. screaming and hitting at jeff brazier on wife swap and of course her really unpleasant behaviour on cbb. not the racism thing, that's been done to death, just the ugly temper. actually, she did that back to reality show on channel five and screamed and shouted and bullied someone on that as well, i can't remember who.

now, she'd had a shitty life so i can understand why she'd have anger issues, and i believe that she sought counselling after cbb (or so her pr said).

the point is that you will not see that on tv at the moment, because she's being canonised by cancer. fine, of course, but to say 'she seems nice on the telly' and to think you're getting the full picture is just silly.

herbietea · 28/02/2009 16:47

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