for fucks sake leave breastfeeders alone

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aaargh, news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7867686.stm twunts.

Totally agree TikTok,
Was just a bit surprised that one of the earlier posters was shouted down for suggesting that mothers were regulalry advised on MN to ignore their HV. They are, and ususally one would hope, with good reason.

ok, bubbaluv!

The previous poster - bobbysmum - said "I never fail to be shocked and appalled by the number of idiotic posts on these threads by the militant breastfeeders urging people with starving and malnourished infants to ignore warnings from health visitors and doctors" which is just ridiculous - and she has not linked to any threads which back up her extrardinary statement, despite saying there are 'a hundred' posts which back her up.

Same thing with ljhooray - accusations of no support, no link to thread.

No one can debate or discuss if we are not given the sources of the debate!

bobbysmum and ljhooray, if you are around, please link.

Good healthcare professionals should welcome questions from their patients. Imo (am a HCP by the way, though not child related field)people need to supplement advice from HCPs with their own knowledge gleaned from research and or experience. Luckily my G.P is quite modern and likes "patients taking responsibility for their health". She doesn't profess to know everything and will check something out if not sure. I think people accept there will be knowledge gaps in non-specialist fields (e.g G.Ps) but tend to expect midwives, health visitors, breast feeding counsellors etc to be experts in areas such as breast feeding. You can't blame them either. I think my own expectations are fairly low given my own experience with bf (poor advice and support) and possibly also because as a HCP I naturally question any healthcare advice I am given. Tiktok and the like seem like sound practitioners and I am sure the women in their care are well looked after. I'm sure the reason why they are as good as they are is because they themselves approach their work with a questioning approach rather than blindly following/dishing out advice. Sorry - long rambling post

Tiktok, would love to link and certinaly have nothing to hid but having done a search on my name, nothing that dates as far back came up, I suspect as the thread did descend into quite a fight, it may have been removed. I know some people will not believe me and that is their choice but I didn't come on here to upset or annoy, just express my experience. However, I must say in searching for my thread, I was pleasantly surprised by some of the more supportive threads www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=breast_and_bottle_feeding&threadid=421273-1-week-old-baby-and-thinking- of-giving-up-bf#8543595. Unfortunately, this is quite some time after the burth of my dd! But I retract my statement on lack of support for mums who stop bf as I thought this thread was really quite balanced. BUt as for my thoughts on this thread, I do think the point here is as I state before and others now have since, the debate is often not rational and any commentry on bf is often leapt on (not by all!) as another dig at bf. This article is not such thing, it's pointing out a potential issue and to not cover it in case it upsets some bfs is crazy. Just as the comment I had about damaging my child's health with formula was crazy too!

ljhooray, I accept your memory of the thread, and that it affected you quite a lot at the time, and yes, it is possible it was removed....I don't know how these things work!

Aitch was right, though - if you looked at it again you might see it in a different light. In one sense that doesn't matter - your hurt response was genuine at the time.

There are many posters on MN, and some of them say things that others would regard as extreme or irrational - I think we have to live with that! I still think you are overstating when you claim the debate is 'often not rational': individual posts may be irrational, but if you hang about a thread on this topic long enough, rationality soon reappears