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Israel - a 2 state solution - discuss

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lisalisa · 07/01/2009 14:44

I believe the only way forward is for a two state solution.

Who else believes this is a resolution to the conflict and , if not, what solutions do you believe will bring peace?

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southeastastra · 07/01/2009 14:46

why were the borders expanded in the first place?

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lisalisa · 07/01/2009 20:19

bump

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KingHerodNametaken · 07/01/2009 20:54

lisalisa I don't think many people on MN really know the history of the region and thats why you haven't had much of a response . Lots of mumsnetters are in their 20's and 30's and are too young too remember.

I'm in my 40's and had a lebanese boyfriend who fled Lebanon when Israel went to war with Lebanon over their support of the palestinians so I've always followed this conflict.

Deeeja · 07/01/2009 22:59

what kind of state would Palestinians have from such a solution, a state they can not defend, without water or basic human needs being met, much the same as they have right now. A two state solution, no I don't think so.

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lisalisa · 08/01/2009 00:12

No -a proper state - a country, a nation. With their own government, army etc - whatever they want - just their own state.

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gomez · 08/01/2009 00:16

The problem with your solution is the whatever they want aspect of it. In fact the Palestinians are clearly not allowed to elect who ever they want but who Israel/West think they should want.

As to what will bring peace............

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lisalisa · 08/01/2009 00:19

A two state solution as i mean is 2 independant countries.In that way the palestinians can elect whoever they want just as teh french can in france. Maybe the ep[xression 2 state solution is too loaded ? I mean it in teh pure sense of 2 separate countries. Like the splitting of Yugoslavia.

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lisalisa · 08/01/2009 00:20

Herod - there are many many MNers on here with strong opinions on teh conflict. Its just strange that when posting on a solution there is not that much of a response?

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gomez · 08/01/2009 00:25

I am too tired and there is too much wine on board to discuss this in any detailed or rationale manner. And if I am honest I am too bloody incensed by Israel's current course of action to be rationale.

I think the practicalities of what you suggest may prove too difficult. We had such a solution and neither side was willing to accept it as a long-term solution.

gomez · 08/01/2009 00:27

i think many of those who would have participated and from an informed position have moved on to pasture new Lisalisa.

Sorry!

Do hope you are well BTW last few times I saw you posting you had some issues with home and work. But then given how busy I have been that coud have been 3 years ago....

southeastastra · 08/01/2009 08:18

i love the way my question was ignored with a bump. thanks for that

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lisalisa · 08/01/2009 08:20

Your question was ignored because it is not relevant to the thread. There are 2 specific threads on which your type of questions are being addressed. This thread was aimed at and started as a thread for a solution rather than more mud sligning and blame apportionement.

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southeastastra · 08/01/2009 08:24

well you could have just said that

MaryMarriott · 08/01/2009 14:42

Yes, I agree that a two state solution is the only way forward and that it will be harder for the Palestinians to refuse this if Obama puts it forward.

But I think you have to really understand and perhaps experience anti Semitism (good article here, to know that this will never suit the extremists because the underlying agenda is the complete destruction of the Jewish state.

revjustaisgoingouttonight · 08/01/2009 15:22

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FrightfulNib · 08/01/2009 15:24

I should first hold my hands up to very limited knowledge of this (and suggestions for a reading list would be most welcome), but would it not be difficult to maintain without a contingent land mass - i.e. a land link between gaza and the West Bank? Or is this already part of the proposals?

scaryteacher · 08/01/2009 15:27

I can't see NATO getting involved here - overstretched already elsewhere - but perhaps the UN, or maybe the EU?

revjustaisgoingouttonight · 08/01/2009 15:28

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southeastastra · 08/01/2009 15:39

can anyone answer my question? then i'll go away

revjustaisgoingouttonight · 08/01/2009 15:56

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Donk · 08/01/2009 20:40

LisaLisa - I would support this idea, but how do you make Gaza/WestBank viable with the current border - would Israel guarantee free access to Gaza (or would that be Egypt's job)? And what happens to Jerusalem? (I'm not sure that either party would go for ScaryTeacher's suggestion of an independent city state)

Donk · 08/01/2009 20:44

(And by the way, thank you for you willingness to listen - and read, and share your opinions. I found it most educational. And salutary to be reminded how beleaguered many Jews and Israelis feel.)

revjustaisgoingouttonight · 08/01/2009 21:31

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Bubble99 · 08/01/2009 23:41

Good thread lisalisa, but I am off to bed.

I will check in tomorrow.

Deeeja · 09/01/2009 02:53

Nato, UN, blah blah blah crap!
The Palestinian people have the right to decide their own future, it is their country after all. I can not see how you can all sit there acdemically discussing how great you think the two state solution is! The important question is WHAT DO THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE WANT?
That is their right to decide.
Bloody arrogant Obama, does he think he can just snap his fingers and the Palestinians will throw themselves at his mercy. The rulers of surrounding lands might,and already have, but the Palestinians are the important ones here.