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Paedophile to be deported to UK ........... What do you think?

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RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 11:47

Paedophile to be deported to UK

A British paedophile who has spent 37 years in an Australian jail is to be deported to the UK, officials said. UK-born Robert Excell, 66, who moved to Australia when he was ten, will be flown home as soon as he has the necessary travel documents, said a spokesman for the Western Australia Justice Department. Excell, who emigrated to Australia as a child but never became a citizen, was serving an indeterminate sentence at the State Governor's pleasure after a string of sex attacks on boys.

What do you think?

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haggered · 23/03/2005 14:55

This unfortunate side of our race has been around forever and nobody knows what the right thing is to do.

Caligula · 23/03/2005 14:55

I don't know about anyone else's way of dealing with this, but I've always thought it very odd that we deal with it by prison.

It just seems such an inappropriate place to send someone who obviously has serious psychological problems. And it is obviously ineffective, as with very few exceptions, it doesn't seem to offer any real re-habilitation.

But perhaps that's a whole different debate about prisons and what they're for and how they're run.

hotmama · 23/03/2005 15:10

If this man relocates to the UK (assuming he is just going to get deported from Aus) I want to know where he is! We should have a Sara's law so we know where all known paedo's are - but what about all the unknown paedo's?

It's all very well living in a vacuum thinking that we should protect civil liberties/innocent until proven guilty etc but I want to know where these known bastards are - so to the best of my ability I can ensure that my dd and other's dd/ds's are safe.

He should be chemically castrated and quite frankly I wouldn't put bets on him having a long life as someone will probably 'do him in' - whether any of us condone or condemn such action.

pixiefish · 23/03/2005 15:40

hotmama- why chemically? That relies on him taking some drug or having it administered to him- that also depends on him not disappearing...
Whilst I agree in principle I do think that the castration should be more permanent- I'm sure that there's a way of removing the part of him that releases the hormones that make him have urges

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 15:50

I deffo think it should be surgical

MAybe without anesthetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hotmama · 23/03/2005 15:57

I am probably wrong but I thought being chemically castrated effected brain pathways as well as and is more effective (I know how can it be more effective that chopping them off?) otherwise I agree with the no anasthetic option - also like the tattoing forhead option.

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 16:08

interesting hadn't heard that before

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JoolsToo · 23/03/2005 16:45

Australia have got the right idea!

morningpaper · 23/03/2005 17:04

I'm very bemused about the comments on this thread regarding paedophiles having no civil rights, but when the government attempts to restrict the movement of terrorists by restricting their civil rights, people are up in arms and saying they will never vote for this government again.

How does that work then?

Caligula · 23/03/2005 17:21

I think that in the main, the people who don't want paedophiles to have any civil rights at all aren't that concerned about civil rights in general.

The thing about civil rights, is that no-one ever thinks they personally will need them. They never think they'll be arrested for something they didn't do, or mistaken for a paedophile.

But I think the difference between a suspected al Qaeda terrorist and this man, is that he is convicted and there is no doubt of his guilt.

Pinotmum · 23/03/2005 17:41

Maybe on the way over he could do a sponsored parachute jump without the parachute to raise money for child abuse victims to show his remorse.

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 17:43

from 35000 feet

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RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 17:44

THe thing is I don't think he has any remorse

I believe that is part of the problem

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dropinthe · 23/03/2005 17:49

Someone said that this man has no chance to reoffend-then why has he done it every time he has been released before?-are we all talking about the same bloke??
He should be hung!

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 17:51

I think he has deffo had enough chances

And why should our children have to be at risk?

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morningpaper · 23/03/2005 17:52

Actually it was said (by me) that he would be given little chance of reoffending, not that he would not reoffend.

JoolsToo · 23/03/2005 17:52

Pinotmum - yes and if he has second thoughts at the last minute I'll happily give him a shove!

anyone who thinks paedophiles can be rehabilitated is fooling themselves - babies and children are their sexual preference - end of story.

dropinthe · 23/03/2005 17:55

Mpaper-misread you!!

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 18:23

Robert Excell

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bubble99 · 23/03/2005 19:58

I think the major problem is that, as many paedophiles were abused as children themselves, they see nothing abnormal in their behaviour. The abused becomes the abuser and the nightmare starts again. They show no remorse for their actions because to them they are normal even though they read the press and Know what society thinks of them.
My brother is a police officer working in child protection, specifically the detection of paedophiles. They are on the whole clever, devious people. After I had children I remember asking him how he could sit in an interview room knowing what the person (usually a man, women are known to procure) had done and not feel like killing them. He told me about a case where a middle aged man had been arrested for serious sexual assaults on young boys. The accused's history was truly horrific. Since a young age he had been "lent" by his own father to assorted males for sex, sometimes with several at a time (I'm sorry this is so upsetting, but it's relevant.) He then went on in adulthood to repeat what had happened to him. My brother said he dealt with this particular interview/investigation by trying to see, instead of a middle aged abuser, a terrified and hurt little boy.
The cycle, however must be stopped. IMO that middle aged man must remember the pain and terror he felt and resolve not to inflict that on another innocent child.
They do reoffend, can't give you any stats just qualified anecdotal opinion. Supervision in the community is only effective if the resources are put in place to monitor, which, sadly they are not.

RTKangaMummy · 23/03/2005 20:03

yes that is a good point about thinking of them as children and a frightened little boy

But they still should be stopped somehow

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lockets · 23/03/2005 20:14

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Caligula · 23/03/2005 20:19

Jools, how do you know paedophiles can't be re-habilitated? Has anyone ever tried?

bubble99 · 23/03/2005 20:25

I agree Lockets, What is an issue is that paedophiles who should be monitored 24/7 as part of their parole conditions are not. In practise we are lucky if the police have the resources to monitor their activities for 7 hours a week.

bunny3 · 23/03/2005 20:56

I can hardly believe what MP has written!!!! Jesus, I wish we had a justice system to be proud of but it stinks. time and time again victims are let down and criminals given licence to reoffend. Most paeds arent mentally ill, they are evil bastards playing the mental illness card. They cant be rehabilitated, they will always want to have sex with children just as I wantto have sex with a man. No amount of therapy could change my sexual preference from men to women, why do people think it can change a paeds preference from children to adults?

I would put money on this man reoffending within 6 months.