Baby P

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Chocolatepeanut quite frankly I have heard that too and I cannot help hoping its true

I made a huge mistake earlier this evening and read the interview with the 15 yr old girl. I really wish I hadn't

How can human beings in a civilised society behave like this?

I've read lots of reports of torture in war contexts as I used to be very active in Amnesty but this case is unelievable and I just cannot come to terms with what was happening to that little baby and the fact that other adults just sat and watched his torture and accepted it

It must be the cruelest thing I have ever come across

Presumably the 15yr old girl, who sat and watched and did nothing is cashing in by selling her story?

How can humanity come to this when a group of adults sit day after day watching another adult torturing a baby and find it acceptable

and a mother watches?

FGS even animals protect their young from predators!

Your dad sounds a thoroughly nasty, unprofessional piece of work Mamadiva. I hope one day it catches up with him, I really do. He makes me shudder. I would be so, so ashamed if he was my father. But I imagine it's quite a dysfunctional upbringing, hearing your father boast to a his daughter about encouraging cruelty and violence. I imagine that's where you got it from. It's sad. SO much horrible violence.

Didnt even think that the 15 yr old girl was just cashing in on her story, i am far too trusting i fear!

get real

can you even imagine what ends up in prison and do they get punished?? NO

the prison officers are not beating people up.they turn a blind eye

and tbh the fact that the bastards who did this might get some of this treatment makes me think GOOD

i dont care if that makes me sad,mad or bad.eye for a bloody eye

someone needs to avenge that poor baby and the state sure hasnt or wont

I agree, dittany, the 15 y.o. was another victim in that set-up, preyed upon by a violent man 21 years her senior. The likelihood that her own background was not exactly 'normal' is pretty high, I'd imagine.

men can do no wrong, dittany. It's always the woman's fault, even if the woman is a sexually abused child. I bet it was the fault of the bloke's mums, somehow. Not them. Never them. Men are great. They like to set up sadistic beatings in prison. Fantastic.

she should not have been able to sell her story

its so bad.she should have told someone

your morals are totally fucked CP.

No one is blaming her it's just that surely she couldve made an annonymous phone call at some point.

I never had a 'dysfunctional upbringing' mabanana just recently I found out but heyho I used to live in a rough area so nothing I didn't already know.

Hence why we moved away when I found out I was pregnant not nice but tralala and all that.

Anyway is soo not the point.

I thought it was common knowledge prison officers did this - why would anyone want to protect someone who has been convicted of abusing children?

It makes some other crimes seem quite benign by comparison

Agree with the HindleyBrady comparison, although that evil pair were not the children's parents and did not torture helpess babies for fun (although what they did was equally hideous)

its it so far from anyones mind to think they deserve to be treated in the same way to get back all that they dished out even in a very small way?

I thought the 15 yr old girl was the girlfriend of the lodger.

What I don't understand is why other parents who had contact with this child did nothing too? Panorama mentioned that other children who played with Baby P wondered if he died of loneliness. If I had suspicions about the treatment of a child I knew I would be making calls to the police/NSPCC etc.

i know where i sit with the morals thank you very much and its a million miles away from any lilly livered liberal attitude which has contributed in the death of this child

That broke my heart Mollie, the poor children asking if he died of lonliness what must they have thought?

That is a good point about the parents I never thought of that one, I think some of the public are to busy trying to shift blame onto the authorities which of course failed miserably.

One of the children described to her Mum the abuse she saw

Even those who did report it to SS saw nothing happen as a result of them reporting it. Haringey put the mother's "needs" first and kept handing Peter back into his mothers hands even though it was bloody obvious to any blind fool that he was being tortured

Each time they saw him he had a whole series ofnew injuries FFS

I am very cynical about the 15 yr old girl, although she did help the police immensely apparently. Its very hard to believe aything you read in the NoW - they described everything in a way as to make the most impact in the most sickening way and I really wish I had not read it

I expect the step dad had a reputation and they were scared to speak out. As sad and sickening as it is, some people will stand by, wait for someone else to do the right thing, or keep waiting, "i'll wait a week and then phone SS/HV" hope it will get better until its too late.

its made me so sad and so angry

my little boy is 12mths in 3 weeks and today he fell over as hes trying to walk and bit his tounge with his tooth and he sobbed.I sobbed with him as it just made me think of peter

CP was wondering if you could explain something.

Which part of your morals are f*d up exactly?

Im confused.

mabanana - you are very niave if you think prison officers don't turn a blind eye. It's what happens. They will gently direct the other prisoners over to the beast's cells - I can't wait to hear about it. I pray to god they don't get put in solitary - any of them.

You are such vile and disgusting people. I shall leave you to your sadistic fantasies. I feel tainted by even reading them. You are repellent. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Have fun with your sick imaginations and your freaky families.

Aww CP. Hope your DS is okay

it's scary as well though as anyone these days can be investigated for the silliest of things, nappy rash a bang on the head but apparently torture is not a high priority

Jason Owen's three children were said to have been living there along with his girlfriend, MollieO. Perhaps it was them.

The repercussions of this are awful. Poor, poor kids.