Re this recent child abuse case, can we have just *ONE* thread for competitive sadding please?

[solidgoldbrass]

Yes it's awful
Etc.
But we don't need a McCann-esque thread frenzy all saying the same thing.

Some of you are missing the point about 'empathy'. Having strong feelings doesn;t make you right about anything (people feel strongly about all sorts of wrong things), being very publicly demonstrative does not make you a better person and sometimes can be intrusive, selfish and bullying behaviour. (I am SAAAAD about this, how dare you not be ullulating as well? Or the people who want to weep and wail and hug a bereaved person who actually wants to be left alone.) There have been cases of bereaved people who just happen not to be public wailers being pitchforked in the press as probably having killed their lost relative just because they couldn;t blubber on cue.

EMotion is all very well, frenzied emotion untempered by logic is nothing to praise or emulate: it can make a bad situation worse.

Many of us do know, or are related to someone who was in the wars, so Armistice day touches lots of people in a personal way. I don't think you can compare it for that reason, and I think people who mark it do it in a dignified way. I am concerned that overly emotional outpourings, whether on here, in parts of the media or anywhere else are potentially masking the real issues about this case. There is also a real danger of knee jerk reactions by politicians and others which may be very unhelpful in the long run.

I'm going to bed now. Good night.

i am horrified that this is being brought down to class again, jesus. as pag says, dignity is hardly the preserve of the middle classes. i'm sure most of the garment-renders are stoutly mc.

how irksome that discussing infanticide is vulgar.hell don't let real life intrude,one must remember etiquette

do all you laydees of a faint disposition wish to retire to the parlour or something.

what a bizzre proposition,dont acknowledege the death of an infant because it is vulgar

comes in at the tail-end of the argy-bargy

I agree with SGB. Keep doing that recently, don't know what's going on.

sm, can i remind you that a child has actually died here? this isn't actually funny.

and for the last time it's not the discussion that's vulgar, it's the manner. i bet now that they've released the photo it'll all kick off again... mass hysteria.

btw i agree with everything raspberry just said. great post.

So who gets to decide what constitutes "frenzied emotion"? Who gets to decide what is acceptable and what isn't? Not you, not me. This is an internet forum, we are all equally entitled to our opinions and to post them.

My prayer thread seems to have offended you. As you call God an "imaginary friend" I am hardly surprised. Tough. Some of your opinions offend me. That's how it is.

In some cultures what you would call "frenzied emotion" would pass for normality. Is that OK?

There are a few options open to people who don't like what they read on an open forum like this:-

1. tackle the poster(s) on the original thread

2. ignore it

3. start another thread to bitch about them and get your cronies to congratulate you on how clever you are....

ooh, let's see, which one did you do?

save your righteous indignation for those who those who think infanticide competitively sad aitch

no. no cronies. that's bollocks georgimama, and victimish.

i have no problem with prayer threads btw, i've said a prayer for that wee boy and his family myself. yes, his family, cos god alone knows what brought them to this.

? sm? what does that actually mean?

Hard not to feel victimised frankly.

And no, I don't think there is anything wrong with praying for the family too, why would I? God is probably the only person who can help them now.

I am too busy to read the thread so sorry if my point of view has more than been covered.
But basically I am really really pissed off with the original OP's original post.
Sorry but who are you to act in judgment over peoples reaction to this appalling case or regulate their reaction.
I have not posted my feelings on Baby P's case thus far but that is NOT I feel less than other posters.
I drove to our 15 month old home today from her nursery. As I drove I was crying at the latest news that a social worker had tried to make child protection in Haringey better just 5 months before Peters death.
My feeling was geniuine and not in anyway McCannesque
In short to the OP who is the OP to act in judgment over peoples reactions to the terrible news of Baby P's death?

key thing there, though, elenor, is that you haven't posted.

unless something constructive comes out of it though, what the point of all going on about it.

Oh well that's OK then Aitch, it's posting one's feelings that is vulgar, not having them. Thanks for the clarification.

umm, just one question...

Doesn't that make the whole of mumsnet vulgar?

and actually, another if that's OK...

Doesn't that make you vulgar too?

where do folk get off with this megalomania.denigrating and scoffing at posters

open discussion forum and unsurprisingly parents may wish to discuss these events

if someone was hand-wringing in front of me i'd have the discussion with them. not much i'd say if someone's reasonably upset in their own car...

you do realise that everyone in the world who hears about this story will be 'upset' about it, don't you? you'd have to be a sociopath not to. but the wailing and gnashing of teeth, the 'i can't think of anything but that wee face' etc, that's just grossly over-reacting to a tragedy that is not their own. i m o.

just out of interest are war,atrocities,considered too vulgar to discuss too.must one refrain from discussing those events too

oh, and it makes a lot of MN increasingly vulgar, yes. absofuckinglutely. and disastrously.

x-posted with SM. to which i'd say 'you see, georgiemama?'

By MrsMattie on Wed 12-Nov-08 10:13:01....totally agree!