Re this recent child abuse case, can we have just *ONE* thread for competitive sadding please?

[solidgoldbrass]

Yes it's awful
Etc.
But we don't need a McCann-esque thread frenzy all saying the same thing.

sgb recall your recent thread you said you love winding people up until their eyes pop/cry.is this one

Twinklemegan's points about society/MN expressing horror, rather than grief; and about us all 'owning' this (and haviing to take responsibility for it) are v interesting, I think.

I do think it's horror, not grief - whether or not the individual grieving posters would agree.

The knowledge of terrible truths is a dreadful burden which we usually try and leaven by sharing, because it's almost impossible to contain and process horror individually.

Cultures have historically found ways to allow individuals to express their terror at the madness and randonmess and cruelty of life publicly. (You could argue that horror films, for example, exist to do this job for us - they translate the horror we know exists in the world into images and words, and in watching them we process and contain our horror at real life events.)

In some respects this stops us being angry enough to force change, but in others, it allows us to live in a world in which inexplicable acts of cruelty occur.

Habbibu, I think a SW was scapegoated in the case of Victoria Climbie and so I agree that sacking more SWs is not the answer. Especially when the SW who blew the whistle said that part of the problem was the workload of the SWs.

Sorry that was rushed and very poorly expressed. General point is "public expressions of horror can be vital if occasionally dampening of actual change"

again interesting, onebat, and no doubt true. but for me, the poring over and the posturing and emoting etc do treat the wee boy as a kind of 'entertainment', like a horror film. hence my distaste, it is rubbernecking.

rubbernecking is perfectly natural, but civilised people try not to look when you see a car crash. it's human nature, but it is unseemly, iykwim?

lisa arthurworrey convenient scapegoat represented by BASW able to still work with children

Aitch, I see your point. I think many of these things can be simultaneously true. That's my new position in life. These POV's don't necessarily cancel one another out.

next stop religion, you mark my words.

You've come over all postmodern, onebat. Or possibly quantum. Can you be a postmodern religionist?

Am I allowed to say it's a bit Jerry Springer?

You are. And onebat is allowed to say that it both is and isn't, simultaneously.

lol at quantum. brilliant. onebat's big brian can easily cope with gazillion different philosophical positions. no worries.

Habbibu

you leave my big Brian alone, he's got enough to cope with without you going on.

Oh, she's just jealous of the gazillion different "philosophical" positions you and Brian get up to, onebat.

I'm with onebat on this. It's a sliding scale I think. I couldn't begin to pinpoint exactly where a discussion crosses the line, but I think we all instinctively know it when we see it.

Can you be a postmodern religionist?

Well, yes, I believe you can.

actually, your point about POVs is completely true, and it is why these discussions become so entrenched. i've seen the 'bereavement' thread, they seem to be cominig on here to fight a battle that isn't being fought. i said a hundred years back that if you've lost a child then this must be very painful indeed, and is no doubt being worked through on the bereavement thread with their support group with no need to open up further threads presumably. but for people who have experienced no such thing, it's rubbernecking and gross.

onebat has a bigBrian whereas many have bigBrain..wonder who is happier..or bigger

lol Habbibu - you ascribe to Brian and I greater intellectual athleticism than we deserve.

Well, than he deserves.

Suspect onebat has both, SM.

Twinklemegan - Come down off that fence, at once.