Re this recent child abuse case, can we have just *ONE* thread for competitive sadding please?

[solidgoldbrass]

Yes it's awful
Etc.
But we don't need a McCann-esque thread frenzy all saying the same thing.

you are breaking my heart, aitch

you purposefully ignore the contrary opinions personally thank those who agree with you, nice

Who on earth would go searching the archives for messages on outpourings of grief or whatever you want to call it? What a bonkers comparison.

I think it's fair enough to suggest that active convos not be cluttered up with various threads about this and folk stick to one thread. Just how many threads do you need about this one thing ALL AT ONCE????? I mean, are you all hopping from one thread to the other to the other? What is the point? It's not exactly light entertainment is it? and quite frankly, the number of threads about the same thing just devalues the whole thing - as though posters are all clambering for a high post count on 'the topic of the day'.

blueshoes, I am happy to put my hand up to say I do not check the active threads before starting mine. If I start a thread it is my thread and I will say what I like....... !!!

Ptolemysmummy, not sure what you mean by internet grievers, could you elaborate please ?

There is a difference between sadness about a child's death and a debate about the state of our society and rubbernecking.

Indeed quattro, and your point is demonstrated so very well by the many and varied threads on the subject.

I don't actually get the rubbernecking point in this case Quattro. Simply because it seems that this little boy was the responsibility of society as a whole, since he had such screwed up parents, and society as a whole failed in its duty. So we "own" the whole horrific situation - there is no grieving family to intrude upon. It differs in that respect from many other cases it has been compared to.

(However since I know almost none of the facts of this case, having been unable to bring myself to read or watch any of the coverage, I realise I could well be making assumptions that are wrong.)

i believe he has a dad, twinkle, and presume there is other family, it would seem more likely than not tbh.

Within two months most of us (UK) have been made aware of two children who had died at the hands of abusers and both had sustained broken backs. I also understand that this will not always be the case.

That is fine that you disagree with me regards the sacking of sws. However, I believe that they failed that child and that they were the very people in charge. The very people who had the power to take that child from the mother.

Incidently, I am only saying the term 'PC brigade' in light of what I believe to be what the majority are saying. Google baby p and if you are aware of the names of the people involved including the parents/carers et al. If not, it isn't hard to find the information.

Internet grieving is grieving over the internet. I thought that was clear.

I feel a bit sorry for you aitch. It is all getting a bit personal, isn't it.

rubbernecking

oh lord blueshoes, don't start emoting over me as well...

Yes Aitch, having just peeped in on another thread I now see that it was the stepfather and not the father that's been implicated.

Oh God, I don't even want to think about this any more. There is clearly a debate to be had, but it should be focussing on how to ensure social services are properly funded and suppported to do their job. I do feel so sorry for the individual social workers who are involved in these cases. I could never do that job, and we should all remember that many many children are saved from such situations by these same people.

oh dont feel bad blueshoes - it's really unnecessary [topical] and aitch has a pretty good grip on reality so she'll be just fine, i'm sure

And how exactly would you grieve over the internet?

Excuse me for being thick, you seem to have all the answers.

Dont worry Vag, you fit in well here.

Well there is a debate going on about what practical things could be done: improving social service provision/training,, investigation into whether Haringey SS are badly run or it it was just an unfortunate train of events etc. But there's also a lot of 'Waaah, I've cried so much my house is under a foot of water/hang every social worker in the country/let's get the pitchforks out/LOOOK! Actual pictures of the body!' type competitive sadding. Which would be better confined to one thread.

Ah SGB back with her competitive sadding

Thanx VVVQV

People reading this thread later on - look at the timeline - and think about the famous quote from a well known film...

"..they're here!"

Night all....

SGB gives a very good example of internet grieving in her previous post.

Zahrah - my point about the sacking q (and excuse me if I've got this wrong) is that I thought your were replying to Aitch's q about what if you were a whistleblower sw, unable to do what you felt was necessary - you then said sack and make scapegoats, and I assumed it was a direct response.

I think that unless there is direct evidence of negligence and/or malpractice on the part of sws, then knee-jerk sackings of sws serves no good purpose, and, as I said, can serve to mask inherent systemic problems. It may be that people are felt not to be up to the job once all the evidence is heard - but these processes are slow.

I am not going to google Baby P. It is, and this goes without saying for everyone on this thread, a horrific thing to have happened, but I see no benefit to me or anyone else in my availing myself of all the fine detail of the case.