Re this recent child abuse case, can we have just *ONE* thread for competitive sadding please?

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Yes it's awful
Etc.
But we don't need a McCann-esque thread frenzy all saying the same thing.

Myjeans said she read the details. Taht was who I was refering to.

Because I was reading a newspaper.
It is your choice not to read about this case.
If we all closed eyes our to the horrors in this world then they would go unchallenged.

nooope. i don't need to know the details of the torture to challenge torture. justify it how you want, poring over abuse is weird imo.

SO if you are reading a paper, can you not stop after the headline?

You do not need to know the details in order to abhore and challenge injustice, violence and hatred. Beside which, most of the people going into the details will do sod all about the issues involved.

There is NO NEED to know all the awful detail in order to act.

x-post aitch.

I find your statement 'Poring over abuse' extremely offensive. So reading a newspaper wierd?? So I must stop and analyse every headline?
I agree that once a story has been reported constant repeating for sensation is mawkish and wrong.

But what I find wierd is people on here censoring everyone else.

lol, would that they could...

I am not fascinated at what actually happened to the baby.

I am fascinated at the fact that the authority who was supposed to be looking after him ( the very same people who we pay from our taxes to act on behalf of us) - failed us and most importantly failed baby p.

Think about it - That child saw someone from the authority no less than 60 times in his short life. He was only 17 months old, how many times have you had visits from your local authority? What makes it even more sad is that baby p will not have understood that these very people who were visiting him and his mother were there to actually ensure he was being well cared for.

As this is a site for mums (and dads) I can't think of a more appropriate place for people to vent the deep, deep sadness that a lot of us will feel about this tragic case.

I also don't want/need to read the details but do feel angry that a child who was known to be at risk was not protected and fatally failed.

it is a bigger, deeper problem that can't be sorted out as easily as 'why didn't they do this and that'.

child protection has got so much better since the vc case. it will take time for things to become standard.

blaming everyone but the people who were looking after the child gains nothing.

i've only heard what i've heard on the radio, so not the gory details, but didn't they hide from social workers?didn't they cover up his bruises with chocolate? this sounds like a sustained campaign of concealment so they could abuse this boy. god help the social worker involved, how nosy do you wnat people to be? clearly a wrong call was made but right calls are being made by horribly overworked and undervalued sws all the time, which is why we don't hear of them.

I thought SW were trained to spot parents/carers who are adept at covering up. Otherwise anyone might as well apply to be a SW.

maybe they spotted the other 24 cases they were working on? and anyone can apply to be a sw, can't they? if they've done the course?

Zahrah, I think I am interested in this case for similar reasons to you. I know enough about Peters life to know that it was a pityful existance. I actually don't need to know anymore. My primary interest in the case is to determine where he was failed by the bodies involved in his care and where possible I will lobby them.

Is it because I was physically abused as a child or that I have 3 kids, one of which is the same age as Peter? Is it because I am as soft as the proverbial and can't bear to think of this happening to another child? I don't know. I just know that I can't do anything to change what has happened to Peter, I can't prevent it happening to another child but I can question these events and raise my concerns.

there's a petition on the sun website saggyarse

If they have done the course! Exactly.

Saggy apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick the other night. In the cold light of day I reread what you said and realised you were only trying to say the same thing! So a huge sorry (cyber stylee) coming your way.

Thanks SEA, I will do that and I have written to Haringey Social Services, to the Minister of State for Children and my own MP.

No probs at all Zahrah, I did think that so did not take offence (quick embarrassed hug while no one looking)

FWIW, IMHO mumsnet is an appropriate forum to air shock and sadness, including at a system that allowed this to happen. It would be odd, I think, for this not to be discussed here. But I read in the press today about internet groups proposing vigilante justice and some of what I have read here today I think has come too close to that. Shock and sadness is one thing. Prurience, and a wish to foster some sort of mob mentality, is something else entirely.

pillow, it happened on here this morning.

It took me 33 years to wake up and realise that I was seriously neglected during my childhood!

but the system isn't allowing it to happen

things are being put in place and it takes time.

it's sad and awful but becoming less frequent

LOL saggy - thank the lord because it bothered me to think that you were offended.