The poor 17 month old -died of broken back

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I just find these kind of stories of extreme abuse so very upsetting and wish we had better safeguards in place to stop such hideous harm happening or at least continuing (when it's pretty obvious!) to helpless children. Why on earth did the doctor not examine a child because he was already on an at risk register and was 'cranky and miserable' at an appointment and hence he/she failed to notice broken back and ribs? It beggars belief. I'm not a punitive 'hang them flog them' type (in fact I'm strongly against corporal punishment) but in this instance I think the mother should be forcibly sterilised to prevent her ever hurting or 'allowing' such hurt to any other child.

ScottishMummy I'm glad you said that. Bitter and venomous comments on here are a symptom of the problem. I truly do not want to live in a society where that kind of "justice" is meted out.

God, I really wish I hadn't read the news stories now. That poor, poor child. Heartbreaking.

I'm not normally one of the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade but in this case I do hope the other prisoners give the boyfriend a taste of his own medicine. Evil fucker.

Haringay SS are even more culpable in this case than in the Victoria Climbie case (poor soul) as they had already been through that scandal and should have been very cautious.

chances are perpetrators will need to be placed in vulnerable prisoner unit for their own safety from other prisoners

maybe the social workers in this department are overstretched because in cases like this, where there is obvious abuse and neglect, the SS spend a huge amount of man hours supporting the parents while blocking the removals sought by the police?

FFS - 60 visits? This poor baby should have been put up for adoption at a much earlier stage.

"Bitter and venomous comments on here are a symptom of the problem"

How???

" I truly do not want to live in a society where that kind of "justice" is meted out."

You don't leave in that society but I am surprised that you don't understand it as a knee jerk reaction on a site of mothers.

I heard the woman from Haringey SS on Today this morning, claiming there were lots of instances of good practice in this case. It's that sort of defensive, ridiculous claim that confirms that nothing has changed there and they don't have a bloody clue. A three-star council, according to the local authority performance system. My arse.

If the council and director of children's services had an ounce of compassion or shame, they would not be trying to pretend that everything was fine and they did all they could right up until the last couple of days of this poor child's life. Only when they admit their failings honestly will anything even begin to change.

This is a horrific story, we have a 17 month old an the thought of harm coming to him is abhorrent. This crime was not due to lack of education Scottishmummy, it is due to lack of basic human instinct and/or pure evil, these people are beyond reform. I have never been in favour of capital punishment but I am afraid this case has changed my long held view.
I also cannot believe the so called experts who failed to protect him despite the number of times he had been in contact with them. My DH and I watched the news tonight in horror as the head of social work for that area said that the people solely responsible were charged, i.e she was saying that none of the social workers were responsible for his safety ...ehm is that not their job child protection?
Does anyone agree that there should be a review of every child in their care in this area, by an independant body of some kind? The thought that another child could be going through the same treatment at this very moment and no-one is protecting them is horrific. Clearly no lessons have been learned from the Climbie case.
That poor baby I cannot stop thinking of him, may he rest in peace.

In the Climbie case, a junior social worker was hung out to dry by her bosses, who had dumped an impossible workload on her (and clearly the bosses now are still not taking any responsibility for the most terrible abrogation of their duties).

I'm not sure that you can just say 'oh, it was a junior who didn't know what they were doing' in this case, no suggestion of that in what the woman on Today said or any of the coverage I have seen.

I'm sorry but I think that human nature is the problem and when I read hang/flog/lock them up for life, I think who are we to judge?

The real villains are the abusers, sad and unfortunate and "evil" they might have been, but actually they are human beings too.

There were very bad failings by the system but that's partly becuase it's already too bureaucratic to operate properly.

I know the case is very upsetting, it's very close to home for me. I certainly don't blame anyone else for being angry and upset.

It's desperately, desperately sad and my thoughts are with this child tonight. It's appalling to think that this was the life experienced by anyone let alone an innocent baby.

If we can take anything from it we must be kind and helpful and vigilant in our neighbourhoods and not allow anything to happen like this around us.

I think in light of this case that it is inappropriate and crass for Harringay or the court to speak of the many areas of best practice that were adhered to by ss. I'd rather their practice was cruel and unusual but that this never happened again.

We must overhaul how these agencies work together and allow them to independently use their best judgement...perhaps it is harder to fool all of the people all of the time and therefore this baby would have been removed long before this murder occured if given autonomy.

I think 14 years is too little time to serve if you take anyone's life but to torture and murder a child and serve 14 yrs seems like a further failing of this poor boy.

Rest in peace Baby P xx

Denmark? Well causing an argument isn't any favour to this little boy's memory so I'll just say I hope it means that it's a bit less likely to happen again.

I feel sorry for the people who had to sit on the jury of this case

This has been with me all day and I can't stop thinking about that little babys short, sad and lonely life.

I agree with the few on here - either hang the bastards or sterilise them and send them down for a very long time. Those pieces of shits did not care one iota - nope let the fuckers think about it now....Fuck them! See we only have to look back at the Climbie case and how we have all been brainwashed into believing that 'lessons have been learnt'

How many more children are going to suffer before lessons are really learnt?

I just wish I could've done something, anything to stop that poor wee baby's suffering. It just drives you mad, how can anyone hurt a defenceless little life so cruelly? How can they feel such hate not understand the damage they caused... It's unbelievable.

There are bound to be other kids suffering exactly the same sort of abuse as Baby P right now, I just wish I could scoop them up and take them to safety. Jesus, if you don't want to take good care of your kids there are many others who will!

Hopefully this case has made SW a bit more zealous with their cases this week. Maybe a few more poor wee souls have been rescued from abusive families than would've been otherwise. It's a pretty slim silver lining though.

Perhaps like there are places you can drop off unwanted newborns safely, there should be places where you can drop off older kids, abused kids too? For those few moments of conscience that must've haunted his mum (she did take him to hospital after all), a no questions asked we'll take 'em drop off point.

I dunno, my just heart aches for this poor wee boy.

His mother and abusers shouldn't be sterilised, but they should never be allowed to keep any kids they do have. That'd be a much harsher punishment IMO.

Capital punishment is morally indefensible, even in cases as shocking as these. I most certainly understand the desire for revenge, even though I think it's wrong, and I wont be shedding any tears for the violence these seriously fucked up people are about to endure in prison. Take small comfort from that my "string 'em up" friends.

I heard this on the news and I'm afraid I had to turn it off when they started discussing the broken back and what would have had to happen to cause it.

It is things like this that make me detest being a part of this hateful world. Sometimes I wonder how I can go on living my nice life while there is so much horrific suffering going on elsewhere. It's just horrendous.

I personally don't give a shit about the welfare of the scum that did this to that poor little boy and I really do believe that it's time to einstate capital punishment for cases sucha s these. After what that child suffered they should hang. However, as they won't then I do hope the other prisoners are waiting for them and make their lives a living hell.

And if that sounds harsh and ill-thought out then hey, it's my opinion.

RIP little boy.

In my view it's the system at fault here. Evil people exist in society, you can't stop that. What you can stop is their ability to harm other human beings. I cannot believe that this child was seen sixty times by social services and was not removed from his 'carers'. It's not as if this happened without anyone knowing about it - this child was in clear view of the authorities who we, as tax payers, paid to protect him.

How are these people held to account? Why hasn't anyone been sacked? It makes me shiver to think what other children might be suffering due to their catastrophic neglect...

I just wish there was something I could do, there must be other children out there in similar situations.

The candle idea is nice, other than that all I can think of is donating to the NSPCC.

Crappy typing, but so sad and angry.

i cant bear to watch news. im so sad about this