Geogina Baillies sell out to the sun

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www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1872523.ece

Doesnt this sort of stink of hypercritism? when she said I wont comment until I speak to my 'agent' - was what she meant - I could make some money out of this - I know if every time I speak I have The Sun logo above my head I will bask in the glory?

Isnt talking about how rubbish RB is in bed stooping to the very level that we are accusing RB of? Will RBs granfather not have to read this article and will they not be upset? Sachs has been very dignified about the whole inccident though it has to be said.

spellings are going awol asI am aware of burning chips.

You are smearing her Beany, and I really wonder why. YOu seem to be excusing RB & JR and really getting your teeth into Baille. Just seems pretty odd to me. She didn't start this, never wanted it, and has been dragged into it against her will. Having had all that happen, she is now exercising a right of reply and making a bit of money (a fraction of RB's money and loose change to JR) in the process.

You do sound utterly in thrall to them Beany.

Mabanana - where ? Where am I in thrall to them?

I am not smearing her, can you tell me where?

I am merely saying that my opinion and feeling on this is that Brand and Ross's comments do not justify her continuing the whole thing, particularly not when she has spoken out so much about the upset that this has all caused her grandfather.

You sound in thrall to them by your constant keenness to defend their unlovely behaviour and to blame everyone else but them for it. I think people have even asked if you know them personally, you seem so passionate about it.
It is a smear to call her comments a kiss and tell. The only kiss and tell was done by JB, and in the most revolting manner.

RB

I thought she sounded like a lovely girl yesterday when I heard her on the radio. She was so concerned about her dear old Grandad.

I can't belive she is now doing this. What is she putting dear old Grandad through now? Unbelivable.

What exactly is she 'putting him through' exactly?

Reading between the lines (oh cripes, IGAH will be cross with me!), in fact not reading between the lines because it was GB's opinion as well, it sounds as if RB got a huge kick out of the fact that he was sleeping with AS's gdaughter. I am not the biggest proponent of RB's humour but I imagine that he does like interesting juxtapostions and it really tickled him this connection to manuel and hence to one of the all-time (in many people's opinions) British comedy classics. He probably really got off on it sexually too (?)

It is pure conjecture on my part of course (IGAH?) but it sounds as if he just couldn't get over it, couldn't keep it in. He was probably waiting for GB to kiss and tell like many other of his conquests and then the story would have been out and he could have had a field day basking in the reflected notoriety of it all.

But she didn't reveal anything and he found this a little disappointing. So, after some time, and when the opportunity arose, and when he had told all his mates and made a good routine out of the mid-intercourse Manuel routine (and made up a song rhyming words consensual and menstrual - which he thought was veeery clever and amusing), he decided to make the story of his short relationship with GB public. (After all, lots of women had done it to him, hadn't they? And a shame to waste such good material.)

So mainly he was just so pleased with himself for the quirky comedy potential of the connection with AS and felt impelled to share this juxtaposition with the nation, in a way that would achieve maximum effect. He got carried away and lost all perspective.

This is the latest strand of my theory on this.

I know that some men would read stuff on here and be upset by it (say in the Relationships thread). Pan and others have said as much. I find what men say about women offensive and threatening on occasion. And yet I suppose we could all say we are just letting off steam about difficult situations. None of it is really acceptable.

But this is an anonymous forum whereas what RB and JR said was personal, public, broadcast to a large audience and not about being at the end of your tether, just about being nasty and ludicrous. He used GB for his own titillation, not only in a sex way but for his career. It wasn't about him being hurt by her (no reason to believe he was) and retaliating by dissing her to his mates down the pub. She slept with him because she thought he was interesting and he slept with her for a shag and for the comedy material, story to tell his mates. We must all be his mates.

yes I know nobody reads my posts any more but it helps me to get it down on paper.

She didn't want her Grandad to hear details of his Grandaughters sex life.

I am not defending their behaviour, I am discussing her behaviour. Is it really that hard to see that this is what I have been doing?

I do not know them personally and have never met them - such a rediculous assumption. That I may only have this opinion because they are my friends? I could suggest the same to you RE Georgina Baillie, couldn't I? But I haven't because that's an utterly rediculous assumption.

skyatnight - I agree with your analysis, and jimjams makes a good point about this kind of behaviour not being that unusual when there are groups of men. Doesn't make it excusable though, especially since they were acting in a professional capacity at the time.

And all the more especially given their massive salaries for providing a public service.

agree sky at night. He used her. I would guess he used her for sex, given his problems with real intimacy and his history with prostitutes, then again and again for a cheap laugh. Yet she is the one accused of using him. It is beyond belief, and is part of the deep misogyny in society.
Tit, the point is, her grandfather by this point did actually know that Georgina had had sex with RB. He knew this because RB and JR had shouted obscenities about it on his answerphone, remember? The only thing she has said about her sex life is that RB wasn't that great. Compared to a couple of men giggling as they told the world that she 'wasn't menstrual' and that RB 'had her over the couch' and 'fucked her brains out', it's not that revelatory, is it?
Most of the interview was about how she begged him to stop laughing about her on the radio. Whatever she does for a living, I really don't think that makes her immune to feeling hurt that an ex finds it funny to treat her like a whore, and the butt of his sleazy jokes.
Beany, I'll leave you to traduce her and idolise RB & JR all you like, it's all so unsavoury.

Had to come back on here! I've just read what Baillie said about Brand, and I have to stand corrected - it seems he is misogynistic, as Baillie says he doesn't seem to respect women and his behaviour shows that.
So I will concede that this is true but only because it has been confirmed by someone who knows him and knows his behaviour

I don't blame her at all. She doesn't go into intimate details of what happened between them.

And if some bloke had done something like this to me I'd want to tell the world that he's crap in bed regardless of whether he is or not.

Onebatmother gave an example of the really threatening and misogynistic behaviour of a bunch of rugby fans on a train she was on - it made me realise why this story has sucked me in. When I was Georgina Bailie's age I worked in a very macho environment, where I was the token female. I was constantly subjected to innuendo and japes - mostly I tried to take jimjams tack and use withering replies, but I was too young and naive to get them where it hurt. They would just keep pushing it further and further and there were times I had to hint at getting HR involved. My original degree was technical and in a male dominated environment, I'd become used to this kind of unpleasant crap. Now, being older and wiser, I would not tolerate such nonsense for a second, and because of the glint in my eyes I am never subjected to it.

I sometimes wonder if people who happen not to have been exposed to this kind of machismo and misogyny don't realise how prevalent and unpleasant it is. I did not really get it myself until I had the benefit of hindsight. I just accepted that is the way I was treated, and tried to dress as demurely as possible.

skyatnight I read your last post (someone is reading them!) and good post I actually agree with you
I never said I didn't, just didn't agree with the armchair analysis that was going on earlier.

Ok, I said I was going, but this is the last time I am contributing to this thread. I saw Custardo mentioned the poor bloody woman, same age as GB, who was buried up to her neck in earth and stoned to death by Islamists for a so-called sexual misdemeanor. Of course that is far worse, and if by complaining about it I could have stopped it, I bloody would have. It's why I belong to Amnesty. But would the 'you didn't hear it so you can't complain' brigade say that we can't complain about this as we weren't there?
I hope not.
All around the world, men try to punish women for their sexuality. Sometimes that control is appallingly brutal, evil and murderous, as it that case, and the all too common cases in this country of women murdered by partners and ex partners for leaving them/having a new partner etc. And no, I'm not saying this case is the same as those cases, or equivalent to them, or the same or no better or anything remotely like that. Of course they are totally and utterly different in degree. So please, don't suggest I am saying they are the same thing.
HOwever, the desire of men (and wider society) to degrade, humiliate, bring down and otherwise punish women for having sex or being sexual, is not a harmless 'mistake'. It does not come out of nowhere. It it has to be seen in a wider context. Just as calling kids the playground 'gay', meaning lame, has to be seen in a context where gay kids and adults are routinely physically attacked, and in other countries, hanged from cranes. Sexism is always seen as something trivial compared to racism, and even compared to homophobia.
I'm no fan of 'burlesque' - it's not feminism, it's just stripping with corsets. I'm no fan of The Sun. But I think this whole thing of RB wanting to hurt Georgina, whom he clearly thinks little of, despite their having sex, and what she though of as a friendship, and to use her sexuality as a weapon against her is quite sinister.

tsk tsk for selling out; satanic sluts have no integrity these days...

If anyone gets the Popbitch newsletter, there are some VERY rude pictures of the girl from a porno film. Not sure whether to post a link here for fear of offending anyone. I can't make up my mind whether I feel sorry for her or not.

Again I reiterate - this is a badly judged 'joke' that should have been edited more closely. Nobody has appeared to have behaved with much integrity. RB may well be a misogynistic male slut, she is a 'satanic slut' who appears in porno films. Ho hum - whatever. I really cannot summon up the energy to deconstruct the situation much further than to say it is not worth the column inches that have been given to it in the papers or news.

"I thought you said you were a listener to his show beanie" I used to listen to hs morning show on six music and was quite sad when he was put onto radio 2 as I don't tend to listen to the radio that late. I have not read his book. I have never seen him live but I did enjoy his performance at the secret policemans ball on tv. I have not had sexual relations with Russell Brand. Nor would I want to (sorry Russell).

I think they assumption that to hold the opinion I do about the behaviour of Ms Baillie since the apology from Brand must mean that I know him or am a massive fan, is rather ridiculous as it assumes that I only hold the opinions I do because I am biased. I could be equally ridiculous and suggest you only defend her subsequent behaviour because you know her.

"He used her. I would guess he used her for sex, given his problems with real intimacy and his history with prostitutes, then again and again for a cheap laugh."

Is it not possible that she willingly had sex with him in a deliberate non-committal way? Her silence about it up to now might suggest so. I don't get why people assume he must have 'used her for sex' when it could equally have been her using him for sex or at the very least a mutually consentual arrangement.

While she has obviously been upset that he shared the information with the public, there is no evidence at all to suggest that she was upset by the experience apart from the sex being disappointing.

@ Popbitch pics

Oh DEAR what a mess eh?