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Geogina Baillies sell out to the sun

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ssummers · 30/10/2008 09:10

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1872523.ece

Doesnt this sort of stink of hypercritism? when she said I wont comment until I speak to my 'agent' - was what she meant - I could make some money out of this - I know if every time I speak I have The Sun logo above my head I will bask in the glory?

Isnt talking about how rubbish RB is in bed stooping to the very level that we are accusing RB of? Will RBs granfather not have to read this article and will they not be upset? Sachs has been very dignified about the whole inccident though it has to be said.

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morningpaper · 30/10/2008 18:56

@ Russell Brand "using her sexuality as a weapon against her"

EH? I am well up for bra-burning where called for this is being a tad over analysed

GivePeasAChance · 30/10/2008 18:58

Knew this one would rattle on !

Was thinking today.........why on earth was Andrew Sachs even due to appear on the RB show??? It's not like he was promoting anything.....is in anything new........in the public eye anymore.

Was there some sort of twisted intent there with RB ?

Liffey · 30/10/2008 19:01

REgardless of what you think of how she's handling it, RB was the one who put it out there in the public domain in such a smutty, disrespectful and lewd manner.

She's managing the clean up operation. He put her in this position too, of having to do something, or do nothing, or make money, or talk to a red top, or to the Times.. . whatever she did, however she handled it there'd be somebody judging it, and as well as the original insult, that's another outcome RB has foisted onto her.

izyboy · 30/10/2008 19:05

morningpaper now you've got my interest piqued!

beaniescreamyb · 30/10/2008 19:14

GPAC - the producers would probably choose the guests, not him. Though that's not to say he woudn't have discussed his relationship with Ms Baillie with the production team. Those kinds of indescretions happen all the time in close teams.

Maybe whoever chose him as a guest did have perverse reasons. Which is lind of weird.

ScottishMummy · 30/10/2008 19:28

good to see see has composed herself after her ordeal and public derision.to dish out goss about RB

poor wee lamb she obviously needed to get it off her chest

kind of cathartic,a debrief if you wish.with those nice boys from the sun and that kind grey haired man max clifford

gosh,good job she's not worried about elevating her grandfathers BP when he reads that salacious account

nice

onebatmotherofNormanBates · 30/10/2008 19:36

"I never said I didn't, just didn't agree with the armchair analysis that was going on earlier."

for god's sake IGAH, I was discussing a man who had shown an eager lack of respect for the sexual privacy of a woman, in public, numerous times, and found it particularly 'edgy' to do so to her male relative (thus buying into the 'i fucked ya woman' trope which is so familiar)

In addition, he displayed the fairly classic misogynist over-interest in the fact that women menstruate, and did so in a derogatory manner and situation.

My earlier example was this: "it would be perfectly fair to conclude that a person who says, of a black person with whom they'd had sex, 'but she's quite pale-skinned', is a racist."

In that situation, would you demand that we wait for another black conquest to corroborate that said person was racist? Or would you just accept that a process of basic deduction had gone on, and not question it?

You might disagree with the conclusion in that particular instance, perhaps because you had additional information: but to call it armchair analysis would be rather insulting, I think.

Are we not to draw conclusions unless we have the personal testimony of a witness?

Because that reallt would be dumb.

beaniescreamyb · 30/10/2008 20:04

Elsewhere online it says Ross has been suspended for 12 weeks without pay. Not sure how true that is.

onebatmotherofNormanBates · 30/10/2008 20:42

"after her ordeal and public derision."
you said it SM. Why do you not accept that you too would feel derided in her situation?

For anyone interested in how cultures work when one group has historically had power over another, there is a mechanism in which one subgroup of the powerless takes responsibility for preventing the group as a whole from empowering themselves.

The powerless are thus in effect self-repressing, and the dominant group need do very little in order to maintain the status quo.

In caste cultures, there is often an undercaste which is responsible for ensuring that the dominant caste is not disturbed or threatened by subordinate castes.

In slavery cultures, likewise.

In cultures which are extremely patriarchal, it is often the older women who are responsible for policing the rest of their sex, and enforcing the rules of patriarchy. It is their reward for having submitted to the rules themselves, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that repression continues, because they might otherwise be forced to acknowledge their own repeated humiliation.

In developed cultures the differentiation between older women and younger is not so marked, and the responsibility for enforcing the cultural norms which keep women disempowered is shared amongst all women.

D'ya see where I'm going with this?

ScottishMummy · 30/10/2008 20:48

LOL so derided and humiliated i went to max clifford and sun boys?Emmm Nope

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onebatmotherofNormanBates · 30/10/2008 20:55

LOL indeed. So derided and humiliated that she thought 'perhaps I could make some money from this public humiliation. Because although that won't stop people sniggering at me wherever I go, I can at least stop worrying about hte rent.'

Scottishmummy, read my post. You are the Enforcer.

izyboy · 30/10/2008 20:56

Well maybe Mended knee but also a bit long winded aswell methinks.

ScottishMummy · 30/10/2008 20:57

i didn't say sun caused her derison and humiliation.do read what i said.i am refecting the poor vilified woman pov that has been purported.

angst which she manfully got off her chest by crying to maxie and the sun boys

morningpaper · 30/10/2008 20:59

This is the kind of thing I hoped to find on MN if I hung around long enough.

lolol that is hilarious

what a strange place to hang out for the pursuit of truth and beauty

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Ivegotaheadache · 30/10/2008 20:59

onebat, I was referring to the earlier post where, I'm afraid you did make a bit of a startling analysis into RB's words, but like I said you can have any opinion you like.

I'm not sure that over interest in menstruation is a classic trait of a misogynist either.
I could understand the misogynist having a loathing of menstruation but afaik it's not an indicator.

I wasn't sure what to make of your earlier example of the person who has sex with a black person tbh, it doesn't really have anything to with the nature if RB's words and it's not something I would deem as racist.
Anyway, you would assume that if a person was having sex with a black person they wouldn't actually be racist. It's just not the same as a misogynist who would hate women but still have relationships with them.

Everybody makes assumptions about everybody and everything, based on what they know, think they know ect including me. But you haven't said that you are some sort of expert in any field for your evaluation to be anything other than an armchair analysis.

Anything I come up with would be the same, I didn't mean to be insulting though I realise that that term probably would be taken as such.

Anyway, it doesn't matter does it? I respect your views but I might not agree with them as you don't agree with mine.
That's the point of posting on forums like this, we get to debate things!

izyboy · 30/10/2008 21:03

Dittany still wondering which comedy programmes you like? Would you mind sharing?

ScottishMummy · 30/10/2008 21:04

i confer approval on no one,and no one seeks it.up to her.but find squawking about privacy and protecting granddad's sensibilities bizzare when you tell all and sundry the manky grubber you shagged had a small willy for money

the shameless egotistical pursuit of recognition and money.they all share that

izyboy · 30/10/2008 21:05

SM you are probably the closest to the truth of the situation - sadly.

MendedKnee · 30/10/2008 21:07

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onebatmotherofNormanBates · 30/10/2008 21:07

IFAH "Anyway, you would assume that if a person was having sex with a black person they wouldn't actually be racist."

Would you? I wouldn't.

I would remember how often I've heard racists say something along the lines of "some of my best friends are black."

Or I would consider that they might be attracted to black people precisely because they are Other, Exotic.

Or they might be simultaneously racist and misogynist, and therefore view having 'had' one of 'them' as a conquest.

Human relations, and the culture in which they exist, are more complex than you acknowledge, IFAH.

dittany · 30/10/2008 21:10

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izyboy · 30/10/2008 21:11

Now now Dittany dont be silly!

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