Geogina Baillies sell out to the sun

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www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1872523.ece

Doesnt this sort of stink of hypercritism? when she said I wont comment until I speak to my 'agent' - was what she meant - I could make some money out of this - I know if every time I speak I have The Sun logo above my head I will bask in the glory?

Isnt talking about how rubbish RB is in bed stooping to the very level that we are accusing RB of? Will RBs granfather not have to read this article and will they not be upset? Sachs has been very dignified about the whole inccident though it has to be said.

Oh I would have some withering put down in person. It's just lewd silly public schoolboy type humour (not that I even think they are public schoolbpys are they?). Heard enough of it over the years- nothing to be scared of. In person an appropriate response can usually be found, it's so juvenile it's quite easy I find.

Hey Upwind, Now that someone actually has compared this to a rape scenario, she was asking for it kind of thing, can I use my Straw dogs, I mean straw man argument now??

Sorry! Couldn't resist!

SixSpot, JimJams suggested that "...they confused what they might have said to her in person, with what they very inappropriately broadcast."

In their calls, Ross and Brand suggested breaking into Andrew Sach's home to molest him while he slept and that he might hang himself on hearing lurid details of a fling his Granddaughter had when barely out of her teens.

I am astonished that JimJams or anyone else thinks that would be okay if it had not been broadcast. And I am really sorry that so many people are attacking Georgina Bailie when she did nothing but respond to an extraordinary series of public revelations about her.

Wintera, if you mean you want to make some more random stuff up, go ahead

OH come on - the phone calls were not OBSCENE! get a grip!

This is what the Sun report said:
Georgina revealed how she asked Brand to stop dragging her name through the mud as he continued to do so following the broadcast on October 18. He brought up the subject when he was interviewed by Radio 1 breakfast DJ Chris Moyles last week ? before the scandal exploded.
Brand chuckled: ?Could I take this opportunity to apologise to British institution and Manuel actor from Fawlty Towers Andrew Sachs, whose answer phone message I besmirched ? or more importantly Jonathan Ross did.
?I phoned up Andrew Sachs to apologise for a matter live on radio and Jonathan Ross blurted out an expletive regarding Andrew Sachs? granddaughter who I?d recently met, inverted commas. I met her brains out.?
Georgina said she was ?horrified? by Brand?s crass insensitivity.
She added: ?The thing that really upset me was that Russell kept on repeating his ?joke? even when I had asked him to stop.
?He first repeated it with David Baddiel on his show and then with Chris Moyles, all within a matter of days. It seemed he was enjoying the whole thing which makes it more despicable. I sent a text saying, ?Please, please stop? but he sent one back saying, ?I?ve apologised for it publicly now and if anything else concerns you give me a call?.?
Enjoying
In fact Brand?s ?public apology? was a jokey one made on his show.
Georgina said: ?I don?t think he was sorry then and I don?t think he is now. It seemed as if he was enjoying the whole thing, which makes it even more nasty. I thought we were friends and trusted him. But in his cruel jibes he treated me like a whore. Russell Brand portrays himself as being a man of the world when in reality he is as narrow-minded as it comes.
?He says he loves women but he doesn?t. He doesn?t respect women and his behaviour shows that.?
Embarrassed Georgina admitted she slept with Brand on their first date after being bowled over by his ?larger than life? image. And she said the bedroom at his North London home was ?absolutely jaw-dropping?.
She added: ?It was every bit as lavish as you?d expect from a professional dandy like him and made me feel like I was on the set of a movie.
?I?m not going to go into detail about what happened there although I?m obviously no shrinking violet. I will only say he?s a disappointment in the bedroom considering he has had so much practice.
?He is also a clean freak. He makes you shower five times a day and use mouthwash before you kiss him.?

Let her make her money from selling her story - JRoss is getting £16,000 at day from the bbc

oh no no no-one has compared this to a rape- she was asking for it scenario. Huge leap. Of the type people were making on the other thread.

But i think I've got Ivegotaheadaches headache. I can't really care this much about people in the meejia. I wish she's maintained a total and utter silence rather than talking to the Sun. It would have been a lot more powerful imo. The only person who has remained dignified in this whole affair is her grandfather.

Let her make her money from selling her story - JRoss is getting £16,000 at day from the bbc.

So - does this mean that if I ever manage to snare Jeremy Vine or Bill Oddie it would be appropriate for me to sell my story to the paper because they earn loads more money than me?

Why not Beanie - sell your story if you want to!

That makes more sense Upwind. I must be the only person who hasn't actually listened to these calls (and has no intention of doing so either).

jimjams I do slightly disagree with you that it's "nothing to be scared of". My school years were scarred by stuff that happened to me and was said about me by teenage boys. It's not always possible to deal with things like that by way of "withering putdowns". For example one charmer at my school went round telling everyone that he'd removed my tampon and had sex with me. I wouldn't have touched him with a bargepole. But you try being twelve or thirteen and dealing with something like that via a withering putdown. Tbh I think Brand is on a par with that boy.

oh dear, the 'shower five times a day and use mouthwash' bit made me lol

he would have to be dipped in borax before i'd touch him

Oh FGS Upwind I didn't say it would be OK - I said it would be very easy to deal with. I wouldn't expect her to laugh along, I'd expect her to have a quick and withering reply.

Have you heard how groups of men talk to each other? DH has quite a low tolerance for it (thank god) so it's been a long time, but I've sat in enough male groups to know how ridiculous, juvenile and peurile a lot of 'banter' is. In person you just deal with it. Or keep away from half the male population and look for the more sensitive types.

Upwind - LOL

Ok I'll admit it, I didn't even know what a straw man argument was! I looked it up on wiki. Thank you for teaching me that though. I am going to use that phrase over and over from now on!

Absolutely Beany, if you have a brief affair with Bill Oddie or Jeremy Vine (each to their own and all that) and they decide this gives them carte blanche to name you on air, snigger about fucking your brains out and having you over a couch, and phoning your grandfather to say the same, then yes, I'd say you had a perfect right to reply, and make some money in the process if you wished. I think this scenario is pretty unlikely, however.

Cross post sixspot. I do take your point, but I think we have a long long way to go before men stop talking in this way (they are half testosterone after all).

I've never particularly like RB. I do usually like JR, although I can't stand Chris Moyles (mentioned earlier). I think he's the worst of this type of male with zero ability to laugh at himself (JR's redeeming feature).

Of course this should never have been broadcast, but I do think the response OTT. I wish 30 000 people would write in to complain about special education, or fuel poverty or cancer drugs. It would be better placed anger imo.

And now I'm off to lie down. Have had too many children here today (always end up arguing about things on mumsnet then that I don't have that strong opinions about).

jesuswhatnext lol at the borax- well I have to say that I have only briefly listened to the phonecalls but what I remember thinking was 'thank god he used a condom while 'enjoying' her on a swing!'lol RL intervened about 3hrs ago so I wont rehash the 'rape' comparison discussion as I see it has been discussed in full.

dittany- which is exactly the sort of response I would have expected her to make in person. It does usually shut a man up pretty quickly. Especially one like RB. And a perfectly good response if you're going to make one. I still think a more powerful response would have been to have kept utterly silent.

ha ha jesus I thought the same. I was stunned to discover he is a 'clean freak'.

Who is excusing their behaviour? I'm not. Can't see anyone saying it was a funny well thought out hilarious joke. It wasn't.

Oh well, I guess I am not a tit for tat person. I wouldn't kiss and tell in the first place and I wouldn't kiss and tell as a form of revenge, particularly not if I knew the whole thing was upsetting members of my family. Maybe she's just not that close to her grandad.