This is an odd one, Palins 5th child is apparantly her 17 year old daughters?

[jojosmaman]

... according to some reports in the US?

here

[ByTheSea]

Let's be objective then. No, I'll be subjective. I disagree with Palin on just about all the issues: she is anti-choice, pro death penalty, pro big business, against gun control, against same-sex partnerships. wants creationism taught as science in public (state) schools and favours prayer there, wants health-care to be competitive and market-driven instead of universally provided, seems to be a military hawk, her idea of efficient transportation is to build more govt-funded highways, sceptical about global warming and opposes alternative energy plans, supports oil drilling in Alaska (seemingly pointless as it won't provide more than a year's supply for the country), against progressive taxation policy.

I cannot understand how Republicans think that anyone who agreed with Hillary Clinton on the issues would want Palin in office just because she's a woman.

[morningpaper]

no but there are lots of REALLY THICK democrats

You know, not ALL left-wingers are as clever as US

Loads of democrats were filmed saying "Oh God now Hilary's out I'm voting for McCain"

deerrrr

[tiggerlovestobounce]

I'm not seeing how this is misogyny.
Regardless of what actually happened the cirdumstances certainly appear suspect, and I think it is OK for people to question what the truth is.

Are we all meant to believe anything she says just because she is female?

[morningpaper]

Actually, have been on MN for too long because when I saw the pics of her bottle-feeding her 4-month old son at last night's convention I came over all Mumsnet

TBH I can't believe she has a four month old son and a pregnant 17 year old

funny choice of VP

[spokette]

Dittany I have a high opinion of myself and other people (male or female) worthy of it.

[morningpaper]

Come on Dittany she is only a woman in the sense that Margaret Thatcher is a woman

I don't burn my bra in her honour

[StellaDallas]

Dittany, it is not misogynist to not want to support someone whose policies and beliefs are diametrically opposed to your own just because you happen to share a gender. Spokette is perfectly right - why on earth would a supporter of Hillary Clinton contemplate voting for Sarah Palin? It isn't going to happen. Your dislike of Barack Obama seems to have skewed your sense of proportion here.

[TheFallenMadonna]

Ym, somebody has said just that on this thread mp!

[spokette]

tiggerlovestobounce "Are we all meant to believe anything she says just because she is female?"

Apparently yes because as women, we must stand shoulder to shoulder, regardless of anything else

[msdemeanor]

And there is a much, much bigger difference between being accused of lying to pass off your daughter's illegitimate baby as your own to save your political reputation and being 'accused' of being *lied to by your cheating wife.
In both of those scenarios the person being accused of lying and cheating the electorate is the woman.
In my example, Palin v Edwards, both were accused of the same thing - ie lying about the true parentage of a baby for political expediency.
Nobody is doubting that women know if a baby is theirs. That's precisely the point. If she knew but said differently, she lied. Just as if Edwards knew (or at least believed) and said differently, he lied. I think there is about the same amount of evidence in both cases tbh.
As for the point about accusing a woman who has 'JUST GIVEN BIRTH', well the idea of this rumour is that she hasn't 'JUST GIVEN BIRTH'. OK, so she has. And as someone else said, Kerry had an exemplary record of heroism and suffering in wartime. Didn't stop his political enemies from going after him.

[msdemeanor]

and dittany, spokette obviously used the phrase 'womb incubators' satirically - ie that's what the people who think women will vote for women regardless of their policies and beliefs, theink of us. We aren't really sentient beings.

[msdemeanor]

God yes, she's a CREATIONIST ffs. If anything kept her out of the White House I'd support it, tbh.

[StellaDallas]

Tiggerlovestobounce - yes you are meant to believe the basic statements a person makes about themselves in the lack of any credible evidence to the contrary. I could start an internet rumour right now about anybody I chose to and back it up with dubiously photoshopped images that would convince anyone who was anxious enough to believe it. But it wouldn't constitute a reliable source of information.
I think that those original rumours about the parentage of Sarah Palin's child were indeed misogynist, based as they were on on evidence whatsoever.

[morningpaper]

Funny choice of VP because she is the RIGHT WING CANDIDATE

obviously any nice democrats would be offering to wet nurse on her behalf if she was THEIR candidate

[msdemeanor]

So, do you now agree she ain't no champion of gay rights, or women's rights come to that? She certainly isn't a 'stupid liberal'.
What would you call a man who opposed the rights of girls raped by their fathers to access abortion? I think misogynist would be the least of it, to be honest.
I don't see misogyny on this thread. I see people appalled by the prospect of a creationist, anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-gun, pro-death candidate making it to the White House, regardless of gender.

[msdemeanor]

provide evidence for what?

[StellaDallas]

MsDemeanor - how on earth can you say that 'there is the same amount of evidence in both cases'. There is no evidence whatsoever that Sarah Palin is not the mother of her son, whereas John Edwards admitted being the father of his.

[StellaDallas]

There are two seperate issues here and people are determined to conflate them.
Is Sarah Palin a deeply reactionary, creationist, anti abortion, pro-gun right winger?
Yes.
Is it misogynist to invent a slur about the parentage of her child?
IMO, the answer to that is also yes.
I don't like her politics, I wouldn't vote for her if she was the last politician standing and I don't think it is misogynist to say so, but as for approving unpleasant and unfounded smears on her personal integrity, just because she is a right wing jerk, that is going too far, in my view.

[georgimama]

How can she be pro-death when she's anti-abortion? Surely that's pro-life???

Going to step right away from this thread now because I cannot, and never have been able to, get my head around the idea that being pro "choice" and anti death penalty is a good thing.