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Brangelina twins were from IVF????

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WendyWeber · 24/07/2008 23:33

Not the most reliable of sources mind you

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RuffleTheAnimal · 29/07/2008 23:38

(which is what you just said... duh)

Kewcumber · 29/07/2008 23:39

time for bed I think!

RuffleTheAnimal · 29/07/2008 23:41

sweet dreams!

CuckooClockWiseCrack · 29/07/2008 23:50

Just looked at your pictures Kew and you're right your son is gorgeous!

Pruners · 30/07/2008 07:28

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TwoIfBySea · 30/07/2008 20:37

I haven't said anything about IVF (although I do have an opinion of course which is that I am glad I never had to go through it), but I stand by my view on this collection thing Angelina has going.

When you look at other stars who adopt from other cultures (Ewan McGregor, Meg Ryan to name just two) and don't parade their children in front of the paps. It can be done.

Kewcumber · 30/07/2008 20:43

Yes she should have left them in the orphanage. Absolutely agree with you - celebrities who have their children photographed and donate the money to charity should be whipped, those that keep the money should have their chidlren confiscated. Not sure what the relevance of adoption is to having them photographed though.

Kewcumber · 30/07/2008 20:44

I spent 3 months in an orphanage. Even Britney Spears would have been a better alternative in the long term.

TwoIfBySea · 30/07/2008 21:21

Kewcumber can you perhaps realise that on this point we are going to disagree.

Sorry that you feel I am a complete ignoramus but there you go. Such is life. I prefer people who try and reason through informative debate in order to change others minds and not those who try and act superior through their knowledge.

Honey goes further than vinegar.

WendyWeber · 30/07/2008 21:27

I resent that, Pruners!

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stepfordwife · 30/07/2008 22:20

so what if they were?
so what if they sold pics of them?
stops the circus and they give the money to charity

Kewcumber · 30/07/2008 22:36

We will indeed have to disagree. I think I've actually been far more informative than anyone else on this thread (at least with respect to adoption). I think you don't like angelina jolie (fair enough, though how anyone can dislike someone they havent even met is IMO a bit odd) and have little or no experience of adoption/overseas adoption/adoptions by US citizens.

I'm generally not superior or vinegary (though perhaps a tad sarcastic) but when ill-informed people make statements like:

"She has made a mockery of genuine adoptive parenting." sorry but I'm afraid you cannot speak for the adoption community when you know so little.
"they would be better off adopted by families who want them for who they are" - who exactly? Who do you know thats queueing up to adopt 4 yr old cambodian/vietnamese boys and little african girls with potential HIV virus. Are you?
"they seem to be more into collecting these children than offering them a loving household" - there is absolutely no indication anywhere even in the gutter press that these children are not well and lovingly cared for and spend the majority of time with one or both of their parents.

I have explained to you that the speed of the adoptions are far more common in the US and she isn't alone in that. But you just don't want to hear that or any of the other points I made earlier eg about the difficulty of placing older asian boys in homes.

If it makes you feel better to dismiss all Ive said by accusing me of being superior rather than question your own views on adoption needing perfect, preferably poor and definitely not famous parents that get photographed, then please don't let my brutish ways disturb you. You may particualrly be disinclined to listen when I tell you that a photo and article of DS and I appeared in a national magazine

Alternatively you could take the view that there are three more children in the world tomight being tucked in by people who love them and will support them forever, three children who will get their grazes kissed, who will have favorite toys and their own clothes rather than taking whatever comes off the top of the pile, who will live on a more varied diet than maize/rice/potato (depending on country) with a waft of protein; three children whose family will know what they like to eat and what their favorite books are. Basically they will have a life that exists outside of four plain walls and they will be someone to someone.

If you still think AJ should not have adopted those children, however odd you think her life may be, then shame on you. But only in my own very humble opinion obviously.

Kewcumber · 30/07/2008 22:38

I don't think I'm very good at being humble.

Kewcumber · 30/07/2008 22:49

I am however good at exceedingly long posts

stepfordwife · 30/07/2008 22:54

..long, exceedingly pertinent posts, tho..

CoteDAzur · 31/07/2008 00:02

TwoIfBySea - Give it up. You don't know much about adoption and all you know about AJ et al is what you see in the press.

Yes, we all realize you stand by your opinion, but that doesn't make it valid. It just makes you stubborn.

TwoIfBySea · 31/07/2008 00:15

I'm not stubborn (much) but I dislike intensely giving a glib opinion on a thread on an internet site and then receiving responses such as I had.

Don't bow down to bullies. Can't stand this superiority bull and I don't care if I do make a fool of myself in doing it but I will respond.

I don't know much about some things, I know a lot about other things. Nice attitude you all have. Very unpleasant. But this is what happens I suppose. Obviously when I get carted down to the stocks to receive my punishment for not toeing (sp) the line then I shall expect to see you all lining up with some nice veggies to throw.

Upwind · 31/07/2008 07:18

Great posts Kewcumber.

A Telegraph correspondent has clearly been reading the same unreliable gossip sources.

"Witness Angelina Jolie, whose new-born twins were apparently made in a test-tube because she couldn't be bothered to try to conceive naturally - and this woman goes out with Brad Pitt."

www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/31/do3103.xml

Pruners · 31/07/2008 07:19

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Kewcumber · 31/07/2008 09:46

twoifbysea... If you read my comments again you will see that apart from one seriously sarcastic comment in my first post my replies to you were initally (I think) rather informative and not bullying in any way. I listened to what you said and responded to it with facts (for example my response to you of 23:09:43 last night) and it would have been nice if you could have seen fit to do the same, then we could have had the discussion that you claim you wanted. I'm sorry if you think correcting peoples misinformation is superior, not much I can do about that other than leave you in ignorance.

You haven't answered a single question I asked or commented coherently on any of the points I made - perhaps you'll forgive my frustration at your "glib" comments on a subject close to my heart and metaphorically pelting you with squashed tomatoes. The passive-aggressive, fingers in the ears, "la-la-la-la-la, not listening" approach does bring out the worst in me.

If its any consolation, you defintely won, you stuck to your guns with your opinion and managed to avoid a discussion at all costs.

CoteDAzur · 31/07/2008 11:06

"I dislike intensely giving a glib opinion on a thread on an internet site and then receiving responses such as I had. Don't bow down to bullies."

You acknowledge that your opinion was 'glib'. Good.

How on earth can you then say those trying to correct your glib remarks are "bullies"?

CoteDAzur · 31/07/2008 11:07

"1+1=3"
"No. Actually, 1+1=2 and here is why."
"I have the right to say 1+1=3 and you're a bully!"

CuckooClockWiseCrack · 31/07/2008 15:36

We are all equally entitled to our opinion. It's a sore point for me right now, as a few days ago on another thread, I was told my opinion was 'skewed', that I was bitter and ... another insult I can't remember, all based on nothing more than that the poster delivering the insults disagreed with my opinion.

I was told I shouldn't even be posting on that thread! It was ironic, as out of the 50 or so posters on the thread I had at least been in a situation that was somewhat comparable. I could put myself in the other shoes and give another perspective. Instead of being seen to have a relevant and partly firsthand account, I was bullied off the board because my opinion was not the 'allowed' outlook.

I think mumsnet would be a pointless board if we all had to agree. Even people with ludicrous opinions (imo!!!!) are entitled to spout dribble from morning 'til night!!

I don't see what anybody has said on this thread that was SO objectionable tbh. We don't know for sure what they did. This may offend some, but I don't want to see Brangelina adopt anymore children. I would like to see them stop adopting now, and concentrate on the children they have. Any more children and they will be spreading themselves very thinly as movie-star-parents.

TwoIfBySea · 31/07/2008 17:21

You are not allowed to say that you don't want to see them adopt any more children Cuckoo. What would we mere mortals know after all?

That was what I was getting at, I've seen it so many times, that nasty insidious side crawling out then some ridiculous comments (1+1 = 3, um...great example) following on. I've been on this site for a few years and seen it so many times, it is like a pack of wolves turning some times, very interesting to watch - this is the first time I've been victim to it though.

All this over Brangelina as well. If I had a Team Jen t-shirt I would wear it with pride.

Consider this a line drawn, I have an assignment I am supposed to be doing right now and as I am obviously such an idiot (guess my ex was right about somethings) I better get a move on.

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Kewcumber · 31/07/2008 20:13

Cuckoo of course you're entitled to say you would prefer to not to see them adopt any more children I'm not sure why twoifbysea thinks you aren't entitled to say that. Mia Farrow adopted about 12 I think but I have no idea whether if you asked her children know they would say better to have a parent who is spread thin than no parent.

Having had three home studies done by qualified social workers I would have to guess that her parenting skills stand up to scrutiny reasonably well which is more than most people can say.

My grandparents came from families of 8 and 12 children and I don't hink one of them would have changed that given the choice and I beleive their parents both worked much harder than the Angelina and Brads of this world for far less money. 6-12 children is generally outside of most peoples comprehension these days and so we tend to have a knee-jerk reaction against it.

I sit on the fence about whether any more in the short term would be a good idea or not. ut in the long term if I were her, yes I would adopt more. I would have brought the whole bloody orphanage home if I could