David Cameron: It is your fault if you are fat and poor.

[FairyMum]

Has anyone commented on the David Cameron-speech on moral neutrality? He is a price-dick, isn't he?

abouteve scammers would fit into the sense of entitlement category- entitled to b4eing supported

i would fit your happy getting by definition but i still believe i can improve things; beyond the degree, every time i feed my kids healthily, make them do homework, help at school I am being proactive however tiny and maximising their chances.

Thing is, no-one makes such a big fuss about the idle rich, or wealthy scammers. Although their activities also affect us. As long as they can afford to employ very expensive advisers so their complicated tax avoidance schemes stay the right side of the law, they escape all criticism.

If some corporate raider comes in and carves up a company, rendering the pension you have been paying into for years worthless, you will be the one who is looked down upon when you are skint and retired. Mr Big Shot will ride off into the sunset with his inflated bonus and no-one will say a bad word about him.

Ah Edam thats so true- as my parents found when their pension collapsed twice, to be saved only by the EU tribunal

last month

Sorry about that Peachy, thank God for the EU!

Was thinking about those bastards who ruined Rover - they did very nicely out of it, thank you very much, while throwing thousands of people out of work. Yet any condemnation will go towards the victims for being poor and just Not Trying Hard Enough while the rich gits get away with their ill-gotten gains.

(I'm sure there are plenty of rich or well-off people who are virtuous, btw, just saying it's odd how condemnation seems to be largely reserved for the poor.)

Just pointing out that happiness means different things to different people. It's not all about material wealth and what you can earn.

I think DC has a little bit more of agenda with this speech and just a pep-talk to the poor or to win some votes.

What sort of policies could be the result of this speech?

there are loads of shit things in every section of society

as an inividual you can either use it as an excuse to sit and whinge about it for the rest of your life - or take the personal responsability mentoned an get off your arse an o better

quite frankly riven that last statement of yours didn't quite have a lot to o with anything.

It certainly was not in the context of the education system You were talking about

we all have unfortunatle life circumstances befall us - some to greater egree than others.

becuase you know soooooooooo much about me, clearly.

so when a person is depressed - o they wait for someone to knock at their door?

how do the majority of people get help?

how much power to change there is depends on where yyu live as well

back home industry collapsed comletely, almost all my schoolmates went to make lastic, sew knickers or fabricate gearboxes at 16. not one of those factories remain. And they were'r replaced by equivalents either, its now housing estates full of people who commute to other places for jobs that require qualifications. Kids at my school- qualifications seemed irrelevant, they all knew how their lives would span! I was lucky to have a grammar school mum who saw further.

And the unempoyed adults culdnt go get a degree either- for some bizarre reason my old cunty doesnt have a uni There are some hext ounty on but i firmly believe that if you dont meet graduates, or indeed anyone with a job above minimum wage, then its hard to know what to aspire to. It seems anything much is for 'other people'. I dont know anyone else from my school of 900 with a degree. I'm sure if I ploughed through friends reunited there's one or two but not many.

I was lucky- my sisters and I all pulled kids from the local private LOL, and the belief in something more can be infectious. Oh yeah and i ended up almost marrying someone who said council kids like me were too thick to study (I got a higher grade than him, yay, stupid prick!- totaly irrelevant but spitting image of dc he was).

We had to move to even see the reality of our upbringing, here everyone seems to feel yhey are entitled to afuture which is fab. But even that move, despite being fab for me and the dc's has been hard on DH who left his world behind.

Custardo I was really depressed at one stage. I wasn't able to seek help because I had no energy to do so. Hopefully instead of some prat telling you to get off your arse and do better someone seeks help for you. They probably don't get appropriate help - I certainly didn't get any useful help. Fortunately on one of my better days I found my own solution. I wonder how many other people lacking energy and depressed by that have the same unrecognised problem.

" we all have unfortunate circumstances" - sure we do, but some people have a lot more of them than others! If you are born into a privileged family and marry into a privileged family then you have have very few. If you are born into a poor family you probably live in an area with poor schools. You can make the most of the limited opportunities you have and STILL be poor.

Meanwhile people like DC will constantly be telling you that you're not important because you're poor.

'" we all have unfortunate circumstances" ' and custy you really cannot apply that to people like riven. There is simply no way she could work. some people with caring responsibilities can- i could get care for ds3 because i know a lovely cm who adores him, not sure about ds1 as he'd be booted after 5 mins i suspect. But some kids are simply too ill. That their parents are living in poverty is appalling. (my ca is £50.55 a week- wowee). cuncils and central government waste so much on crap schemes to pretty up areas or whatever. which imo is pretty shit when carers who (and this is the essential bit( did not choose their fate struggle.

I happen to have met riven and her dh and they are both unusualy bright people, well qualified, who apart from teir dd2's disability would e exactly the sort of earners DC would have us all aspire to being.

I'm glad he's shown his true colours at last. I always knew he was a Tory boy hiding in a web of spin.

We're poor because the Government takes our hard earned money away from us to pay bureaucrats to come up with daft ideas, inavde our privacy, take our rights away and waste more money.

that's 'invade' (doh)

Sorry but if you are fat, unless you are disabled, mentally unwell or have a medical condition it is your responsibility at the end of the day. I don't think you can argue with that.

I don't think its necessarily opportunities that is the greatest divide but attitude, outlook, belief systems and expectations that divide the rich and the poor. We all have the same chances of education, but in private schools kids are geared to reach for different goals obviously made easier by finance.

No, we don't really all have the same chances in the education system. Have you been away on another planet?

You have the same lessons, the same curriculum and the same exams. What makes a school fail?