Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

I've watched the horrible video. All the police seem to have done to check whether the young man curled on floor saying weakly that he had been stabbed was glance at his face, say, "I don't think you have, mate", cuff him and then (only after being prompted by a female colleague saying "we have to check, though") reluctantly check about 1 inch under the bottom of his shirt.

The absolute best that can be said is that the officers were grossly negligent and irresponsible.

It's all very well to say, "well, we were told a convincing lie about racial assault and perpetrators often lie about having been injured," but it's not like they were dealing with this from far away. They were right there, handling the man on the ground and could easily have had a quick proper check for stab wounds. BLOODY CHECK.

The only reason not to do so is that they'd already made up their minds about what was happening and failed to keep an open, neutral mind. They either all failed en masse to engage their critical faculties or they have none to engage. THAT should scare us all.

How the hell is it the same?

Exactly. Even if they are a perpetrator. This is the issue.

Racism has been allowed to exist in the most pernicious ways, and now everything is upside-down; and a non-white killer has now worked out that actually, in that instant, he can also use the 'privilege' of his race as a power to murder an innocent boy

I am white and observant enough to know that there is no way I'm in a position to claim that any other race has privledge over my own. We are nowhere near tipping that balance. That is not to downplay the death of this man but come on let's be realistic...

Exactly this!

"I am white and observant enough to know that there is no way I'm in a position to claim that any other race has privledge over my own. We are nowhere near tipping that balance. That is not to downplay the death of this man but come on let's be realistic..."

Wow they really got to you didn't they. Super indoctrination.

Yeah they really aren't. The problem is that they think criminals have less human rights and are owed less decency than everyone else and individual police officers believe they are the person who should decide that. They thought of the victim as a criminal, and therefore didnt give a shit about his life.

Why wasn’t an ambulance called when the stabbing was reported? I know someone called the police, but why didn’t the police ask if they’d called an ambulance and if they hadn’t, the police would do it?

That was a reply to another post about the police being trained to respond to racism. Not sure why the @ isnt showing.

I agree with you though.

Yes, it’s not like this sort of thing is constantly happening. It’s bringing out all the “racism against whites” people but nearly all the research shows that it’s minority groups who are much more likely to face ill treatment from the police. It is tragic for Henry and his family but I hope he doesn’t become some sort of martyr for racists to use to claim that minorities have some sort of power or privilege. And yes the police should have checked but bear in mind that none of us do their job or know what pressures they are under and it’s very easy to blame after the event.

Has not realised that they didn’t handcuff the murderer!!!! Utterly despicable monsters.

The way he speaks to him as he lay dying is just awful, and awful no politicians have said anything, I think it's disgusting and I didn't know Sikhs were allowed to carry there religious knifes, that's not acceptable

As a white female, most of the time I feel a second class citizen in this country.

We've allowed minority religions and minority races to hold all the cards. The Police/Government are too afraid to stand up for the majority and now look where we are.

How that boy died is INEXCUSABLE. We have to learn from it. I cried watching his family on the news last night, how will they ever learn to live with such loss.

He should have a whole life term. I think it’s reasonable to say that the crime was premeditated because he carried that knife with him with the intention of having it accessible to use. He stabbed Henry repeatedly front and back in his vital organs. This is an assault no one could survive. He then sought to deflect and cover up his crimes by making false accusations against Henry. He should never be allowed to walk the streets again.

we also need to change the law on knife possession. A sharp 8 inch kirpan is a weapon more akin to a sword. No Sikh needs to carry such an item and the vast majority wouldn’t. In the modern world a blunt 1 inch kirpan shaped charm is sufficient.

It is in no way part of the same problem and it is disgusting that you'd try and muscle it in. This, if anything, is about race. Go to the feminist forum with your trans issues if you want to talk about them. Give this victim some bloody respect.

Below are the judge's comments about the 'sikh' knife that the perpetrator carried. I am reading that the knife he was carrying was in fact lawful to carry. He can carry a knife of up to 9 inches long as he is part of the order of Nihang Sikhs. He can wear this as well as his Kirpan.

10. You were sober but were carrying a large Sikh dagger in a sheath attached to a belt over the outside of your clothing. It is a strict requirement of the Sikh faith to have a knife, called a kirpan, at all times. Generally, this will be a small knife, hidden from view, often on a length of cord and worn around the neck. You had that but, in addition, the large dagger in a sheath. You are a member of an order of Sikhs called the Nihang who have a tradition of having a second knife, or kirpan and that is often fully visible, believing that the guru will look favourably on that. You observed that tradition in your everyday life, at work and in public. However, it was not a strict requirement; that is borne out by the fact that neither your brother nor father who arrived on the scene after you had stabbed Henry were so dressed. According to Professor Gurnam Singh, Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: “Over the last 30 years, there has been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in a desire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity.”
11. The privilege extended to practising Sikhs of being allowed to be in public with a bladed article and, particularly in respect of the large dagger, a highly dangerous weapon, easily accessible to the wearer, brings with it huge responsibility.
12. It is a fundamental principle of Sikhism that any kirpan is worn as a symbol of religious faith and is never to be carried for an offensive purpose. The legal approach to the carrying of such a knife, as long as the blade length does not exceed 9 inches, is that an offence of Having a Bladed Article in a public place will not be prosecuted; there has been an acceptance that its possession in those circumstances, can amount to a good religious and, therefore, legal reason for having it. The blade of the knife will not be on display; either it is under clothing or, alternatively, in a sheath. For both, it is a religious and, consequently, legal requirement that a kirpan should only be used offensively as a last resort, which would include its use in legal self-defence. In other words, only if use is necessary and, if so, reasonable in the circumstances. It is obvious that for use to be reasonable, any perceived threat justifying its use would only be in circumstances of great seriousness and urgency.

I didn’t realise this either. I’m disgusted that people are allowed to carry a knife because of their culture and religion.
Why do cultural considerations trump the law and public safety?
I hope carrying these knives is soon banned. Totally unacceptable.

No way could he get a WLT for this and others, some who killed more than one person, has not. That would be some controversy.

Which is another example of how stupid all religions are. What’s the purpose of carrying a knife other than to cut things?
The older I get the more I think we should ban religion, it brings nothing to the world but hatred and division.

Dod you not do RE and learn about the Kiss of the Sikh religion?

Google it

I think the analogy being made is the introduction of community policing by the back door, where police are overly concerned about identity labels. Lady Justice should always be blind. That means the police should carry out their duties without fear or favour. In particular without fear of accusations of racism, transphobia or any other equivalent.

No because I went to school outside the UK but in another European country decades ago when RS was all about Christianity. That’s how it was in the 1980s.

If the situation was reversed and a guilty white stabby male had been taken to the canteen while the innocent brown person bled to death in cuffs under arrest without being checked properly this country would be in flames right now.

Is Kier going to take the knee for Henry? Nah, just empty waffle about solving knife crime.

It absolutely is relevant.
A criminal man pretending to be a woman (ironically with a male urology issue 😂) gave aggressive vile racial abuse to a nurse for ‘misgendering’ him, by addressing him politely as Mr X and SHE was hounded out of the NHS by the same institutional wokery as in this case.