Why aren't we discussing the kids running riot in London and Birmingham off the back of a TikTok trend? [title edited by MNHQ at user's request]

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If there’s already a thread I couldn’t see it.

I am reminded of my Mother who used to say you need a licence to have a dog but not children.

The Police can only enforce what they are allowed to by law, they do not make the law. It’s a mess. I’m from a very poor socially deprived background and I’m also not white. Any time I see a kid who isn’t white behaving like this I’m thinking of the huge disservice they do to ethnic minorities and the fuel it gives racists.

Have there actually been riots like the ones in Clapham involving private school pupils?

I think not. Her point was there are pupils of all races at certain schools who are not involved. Not saying I agree but that was what was said

This.

Shop worker was head butted and hospitalised and one had acid thrown at them …is that bad enough for you @Carla786 as you keep seeking to down play and minimise what happened.

Mums with babies were terrified.

So it’s still the fault of someone else? Not the person being violent and agressive? “Ah but my mates made me headbutt that man, assault the paramedics, throw chemicals in someone’s face!!! It’s not my fault!! In fact I think I’m emotionally damaged that they’re saying they’re upset!!!”

One of the commentators i saw giving an interview on one of the breakfast shows said it was a class issue. Apparently if loads of private school educated kids went and did similar it would be called ‘high jinx.’

That’s a non-sequitur. Also not true - if they had been privately educated children there would’ve been uproar and where possible culprits named and shamed.
It doesn’t matter who did it - they need to be punished.

Well I didn't say any of that and I wouldn't because it really doesn't add anything to the discussion. But it's a fact that the emotional regulation of humans is not finalised, especially in boys, until well past the age of those young people.

And if grown women can put themself through surgery and disfiguring procedures due to the peer pressure from other grown women, it isn't difficult to see how peer pressure might operate in the heat of a moment with younger people.

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It was a woman whose child goes to private school. Apparently if a bunch of those children did the same it would be called ‘high jinx’. I’m not sure that’s true but she felt it was.

Also the headbutting and chemical throwing were separate from the Clapham incident, it wasn't explicitly stated if they were even committed by younger people. Too many young people are going down that path though.

The headbutting and acid were separate incidents, not to do with the Clapham one.

Quote : Keeves said, 'In the past week alone we have had gangs forcing open locked cabinets and stripping shelves, two men brazenly emptying the shelves of steak and walking out, a large group of young people ransacking a store before assaulting a security guard, a colleague headbutted trying to defuse a situation and another hospitalised after having ammonia thrown in their face." So he was listing separate incidents. These did not all happen in Clapham.

I recently encountered a situation in a smaller supermarket. A group of 10 young teens entered the shop and one by one helped themselves to alcohol, chocolate and whatever they could get. The boys had hoods and faces covered but were clearly only about 13/14 max. The shop assistants stayed firmly behind the till screens while the rest of us in the shop were just watching open mouthed at it all. I was absolutely furious that they could just get away with this while the rest of us have to work and pay a premium for products due to shoplifting.

Eventually one bystander had enough and stopped some of them as they left by blocking the door and then the rest of us joined in. They started to panic when challenged apologising and saying just let us go we are sorry.

My point is, I know that you cannot ask store staff to challenge these things but how can people just standby when kids are behaving like this. It is like a lawless society where kids just do what they want, take what they want and never face any consequences. What kind of society is this.

Saw similar in Mallorca. Some robbers ran out of a tech shop with armfuls of stock. A young English lad having dinner with his parents jumped up and floored one of them then other men sat on him. I would have been so proud if I had a son that had done that.

Can you say where this busy transport hub was ? Was it Builth wells ? Every time we visit Wales it seems some public toilets are vandalised. I heard Saundersfoot toilets had been vandalised recently and there were stabbing at Tenby train stations. Seems even idyllic little seaside places are not immune.

“….It is like a lawless society where kids just do what they want, take what they want and never face any consequences. What kind of society is this.” @SilverGlitterBaublesposts.
A society we have allowed to be created.
Bad parenting and a soft judicial system certainly don’t help.

It wasn't any of the places you name. The kids use Telegram and such to literally co ordinate their appearances. The other week , following a complaint by a member of the public about seeing rats of all things outside, the guys checked all the bushes nearby and found a stash of bikes hidden. These had probably been stolen. We also found,2 beat up old wheelchairs. Then word came that a big gathering was planned and dispersal orders went out. That little party was cancelled??

Some shops including a well known sandwich chain have a no prosecution policy. Where I am police will only come out for shoplifting if the haul is literally £ hundreds ot of violence and threats are made