Why aren't we discussing the kids running riot in London and Birmingham off the back of a TikTok trend? [title edited by MNHQ at user's request]

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If there’s already a thread I couldn’t see it.

They are in Kent. Broadstairs had huge problems all last summer with large mobs of white boys attacking businesses and smashing windows intimidating workers at the beaches.

Kent also has a huge problem with white male teenagers catapulting and killing swans, ducks, pigeons and squirrels. Hundreds of incidents were recorded by the police last year.

A very large number of white teenage boys in Kent are violent, armed and out of control.

That’s what I said before. I used to work off Wandsworth Road near Vauxhall for a removals company. Most of the young lads on the estate worked there as did their father, no black kids but maybe it wasn’t for them as it was poorly paid. My close friend from college lived on the same estate nearby, Chinese Vietnamese woman but she and her DH always worked hard. Yes they have triad gang fights in eg Leicester Square. Would they riot and loot, doubtful.

In 2011 riots were all over London and the UK, ranging from Croydon to Notting Hill, Kingston, Wimbledon. I worked in Wimbledon at the time and left early on a riot day as I didn’t want to get caught up in it.

I remember it well. We were still living in Putney then. My DS and his mates went to Clapham the morning after a riot and helped the locals clear up. 15/16 year old lads.

Yes...my grandmother was a good parent but when my uncle got mixed up with a bad crowd as a teen there wasn't much she could physically do. My grandfather was in his late 50s and by that point unwell, but often a male presence can bring boys into line. A father may also be less easily physically intimidated. A woman on her own little a teen boy is at a disadvantage.

Yes, I think it's incorrect to think that it's mostly black boys doing this. Many are but it depends on area, many white boys are too. And girls of all ethnicities.

Do you mean remove benefits and social housing from criminals? Or from their parents?

If parents need phones to communicate with kids, how did they manage before the iPhone came out in 2007?

I agree re stop and search.

Stop and search wouldn't have stopped the flash mob at Clapham though. A SM ban would.

That's not true. There's plenty of TV for teens aside from BBC, - Derry Girls to name just one of many. And there is affordable live music, it just tends to be not as late at night and often not in central London..

https://www.timeout.com/london/clubs/why-did-london-start-going-to-bed-so-early#:~:text=Well%2Destablished%2C%20well%2Dcurated,club%20HERE%20closes%20at%202am.&text=Clubbers%20share%20that%20sentiment.,nights%2C%20like%20Technomate%20and%20Guttering.

@Carla786Criminals. I also think that if a child continues to behave in this way then the parents need to face some consequences too.

I get people have human rights, but what about mine, what about yours to live in a decent and safe country?

The gangs need smashing too, now.

There's nothing wrong with stop and search. There's everything wrong with stop and search disproportionately happening to black boys.

Go figure what?

It is odd that, if so many black boys are involved in crime, they are still doing better in education than white boys. Why might that be? Assuming the stats are accurate

But if statistically black boys are more likely to have something on them, then arguably isn't there are case for that? It's unpleasant but if a community has a genuine problem, focusing on that community is not simply unfair prejudice

Traditionally parents are not punished for their children's crimes, even in extreme cases. The parents of James Bulger were not charged, for example.

I see what you mean though.

Why don't you spell 'shriek' properly? I don't think anyone on this thread has denied black on black (usually male- it's unfair to say 'black' only as if black girls do it as much) crime is a problem.

I remember it well as I was in a supermarket in Camberwell / Dulwich area and they told everyone to leave quickly and they pulled the shutters.

I see @Carla786 you started a separate thread saying that what happened in Clapham has been exaggerated.

Your benchmark of what is acceptable behaviour must be very, very low.

@Carla786If the parents are shown to be actively trying to sort their kids out I get it. Some are often not though which is shit.

It’s a hard one isn’t it?

I see @Carla786 you are asking on the other thread does the footage show black teens? That’s not what you have seen.🤔 which is contrary to what is out there and circulating.

Yes it does all the pics , videos and footage circulating shows it is 99.9% black teens…you are either looking for an argument or playing dumb across these threads.

The poll on the other threat shows that 86% disagree with you that it has been exaggerated…so common sense is prevailing for once.

I have seen footage that looked more racially mixed than that. As I said myself upthread, the retrieved WhatsApp messages showing the plan to accuse the police of racism suggest a substantial number were black..

Why don't you discuss with me on my thread, if that's what you want to do, rather than derail this one?

I’m not derailing anything , 🙂sorry if you think that, it’s the same discussion but repeated in duplicate on your own thread.
It’s a mess whatever way you look at it and something needs to be done or it won’t stop.

It’s two threads discussing the same topic .

James Bulger didn’t commit any crimes. He was a murder victim so why would his parents be charged?