Madeleine McCann trial - why no DNA test?

[AlansKey]

Why haven’t all parties agreed to a proper and official and binding DNA test?

Is Kate McCann rejecting the chance of Julia Wandelt being Madeleine based only on the basis of her saying “I think I’d recognise Madeleine”?

Rubbish.

I know without a doubt that my child is my child. If someone told me to do a DNA test to prove it I would tell them to do one.

And if my child was all over the internet claiming to be a missing child, stalking innocent people etc I would probably disown them.

And she’s not unwell, she’s a sicko. There is a difference.

She’s very calculated. She knows what buttons to press, stalking Madeleine’s siblings, telling them about games they played as babies etc, it’s fucking sick and she knows exactly what she was doing.

But yet again, instead of focusing on some nutjob and hoping she gets put away for stalking, people are turning this into a thread full of questions and accusations aimed at the parents for not wanting to do a DNA test to give yet more attention to this stupid bitch.

This woman previously gave an interview to the BBC apparently accepting she was wrong and explicitly offering an apology to the McCanns for any distress she had caused them.

Then she commenced the behaviour which has brought her to court for alleged stalking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68139294

I do not think she looks like the Mccanns, having spent time amongst people from that region I think that her features and skin tone etc look fairly typical for someone with central/eastern european ancestry which matches her ancestry dna results, there is always the small possibility that the Mccanns have eastern european ancestry themselves, but that seems like clutching at straws. What is fairly likely is that the Mccanns are on ancestry sites under a different name, in which case they will know for certain that she is not Madeleine because Julia will not have been flagged as a match to them, which would explain their reluctance to engage. However, I think they should perhaps be honest about that with her as most of her stalking appears to revolve around wanting a DNA test and criminalising her for stalking does seem quite cold without at least engaging with her in a rational way first, even through a third party, who can provide her with rational evidence to shut down her claim once and for all. I imagine she is driven on in her quest by the coloboma mark in her eye or it would have been dropped some time ago.

She really does seem to have jumped to some huge conclusions based on very small amounts of evidence. She may not be 100% wrong that her early life is holding a secret or two, it is alarmingly easy for children to be smuggled and given new identities, but it is much more likely that if there is a secret it is a less sinister family secret like false paternity the family are trying to hide (which would explain their reluctance to offer her a DNA test).

What I found interesting is that the Madeleine Mccann abduction news was not well known outside of western europe, so there is maybe the tinest slither of hope that she was taken somewhere and is alive, although my impression is that the Mccanns are realists about the likelihood of this and don't want to be retraumatised every time a new person claims to be madeleine on very shaky evidence.

Errr yes it does. Where do you figure this from? I’ve done two myself (23andme and another one) and both could tell me I’m 1/4 French and where exactly from France my ancestors came from. And the remainder was English. They are absolutely accurate. You can’t just make stuff up.

The McCanns have no obligation to provide a DNA test, they were taking advice from the Met who confirmed they were not required to do so because they had received evidence she was not Madeleine. You can bet your bottom dollar they would be providing everything they could if the Met had said 'actually, there's a distinct possibility she could be'.

However, this case is not about whether she is their daughter, this is about a sustained period of stalking of two women. There seems to be a lot of evidence. supporting this. She was contacting Kate (in particular) but also Amelie with thousands of messages. Turning up at their door step, banging on their door for 15 minutes etc. This must have been so stressful and quite frightening at times.

You have to think a little longer. Not everyone who is your neighbour will have that result. You don't know what ethnicities the McCanns would get if they took one! I am actually in the right here. You don't have "French DNA", but your result were compared to others who have taken the test and how they identify. You didn't know that? You thought DNA has little flags that can be seen in a lab?

You’re not a geneticist and I really don’t think you’re educated of this at all. People of different races like Slavic, French etc have different genetics and it’s easy to test. Julia is Eastern European.

@AlansKey "Is Kate McCann rejecting the chance of Julia Wandelt being Madeleine based only on the basis of her saying “I think I’d recognise Madeleine”?"

Of course not! She's two years older than Madeleine for starters. She's been a very troubled girl with mental health issues for years and has on not one but three seperate occasions over the years claimed to be other missing girls. She even approached a charity in Germany that deals with missing young people. She tried to convince them she was an American girl who went missing at around the age of three. The German charity carried out a full investigation and subsequently issued a statement to the effect that Julia Wandelt is not a missing person and is a very troubled individual. And if that isn't enough, school friends and play mates remember her from infancy. There are photos of her with her family that pre-date Madeleine. There is loads more too that puts her firmly as Polish born Julia Wandelt and a very troubled fantacist. She's as much Madeleine McCann as I am!

I used to follow the imposter’s antics on social media. She’s done DNA tests which have 1) showed she’s Polish 2) related to her family.

Geneticist or not these ancestry type tests are notoriously unreliable.

There was an article a couple of years ago about a group of people who did various of these tests A, through different DNA sites, and B, through the same sites with different names etc and came up with several results.

Ancestry DNA should be seen as a bit of fun and nothing more. Although personally I think that anyone who pays to give their DNA to a private company who has the ability to do god-knows-what with it needs their head read.

All that being said, DNA is entirely irrelevant here as this woman is 100% not madeleine, but in the event DNA testing were required i certainly wouldn’t be going to ancestry as a first port of call.

And there you are, the police did compare her dna to madeleine’s dna and it made no difference whatsoever to her narrative.

Exactly, it confirms that Julia is right in her suspicion that it is some kind of illegal adoption. Otherwise the mother would have told the police that she was adopted. But she didn’t while still refusing to do a DNA test. Julia does not really look like Madeline on pictures though. But someone else’s child she is…

They did not, do you have a source for that? All I have read is that Julia did some kind of Ancestry test on Dr Phil to guess on her ethnicity (not relation to McCann.) And that Julia’s parents refused to do a DNA test to prove she is her biological daughter. The Polish police accepted that and took her word for it and then said it was proven.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgk2g94ll0o

Who would pay for that, who organises it and picks the lab?

Theres no open police investigation is there?

Yes, there is an open police investigation. And there is no need to store the samples. All that is needed are the results of the test which would likely be held as a computer file. That is all that is required to determine parentage.

Thanks. Im a bit surprised theres an open police investigation

Is that normal for missing children? To keep it open?

An investigation into a missing child is never closed until the child has been found or there is no realistic prospect of finding the child alive and foul play is not suspected. The Metropolitan Police are still running Operation Grange, which is the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, although it is on a much smaller scale now than it was when it started.

It’s on every newspaper and the BBC website. Whether you have read it or not.

It came out at the trial today. That’s how news works. It evolves, especially during a trial.

They tested the DNA, told her the result, and surprise surprise she refused to believe it because the result wasn't what she wanted. Just as posters have been pointing out.

Yep. You can't argue delusions with the delusional.

QED.

She doesn't think she is her Polish parents' child. THAT is the consistency here. She doesn't know who she is. That's why she keeps going from child to child thinking she may be them.

She claims that she doesn’t think she’s her Polish parents’ child. Thing is she’s a compulsive liar so you can’t believe a word she says.

And even if she genuinely thinks she’s not her parents’ child, she needs to take that up with them, not start instagram pages in the name of missing children, and then stalking innocent families of missing children, making up stories about playing together etc etc.

The McCanns, or whoever she decides to stalk next don’t owe her anything.

It's not thinking though - it's not mental acuity. She is seriously unwell, she has had the DNA and knows where she is from. She doesn't want to accept it. Because she is mentally unwell - THAT is the reason she keeps going from child to child thinking she may be them. Because she is mentally unwell.