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Madeleine McCann trial - why no DNA test?

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AlansKey · 08/10/2025 13:11

Why haven’t all parties agreed to a proper and official and binding DNA test?

Is Kate McCann rejecting the chance of Julia Wandelt being Madeleine based only on the basis of her saying “I think I’d recognise Madeleine”?

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Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:44

RandomGeocache · 10/10/2025 21:08

Totally. She is a very unwell young lady. She would just say that "they" have fiddled the test, corrupted it, swapped samples etc etc etc.

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You don't know that and you don't know her, you have seen headlines. If this woman is adopted or displaced as a baby/toddler the likelihood of her to have mental health problems is high, it is also a historical fact that these things have happened quite a lot in the world without the child being told the truth.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:45

SparklyBlueDress · 08/10/2025 13:29

I think because then every nutter would come out the woodwork requesting dna. Where does it end?

I don't see the problem as they are actively looking for the truth..? They only have to do a test each and "every nutter" can do one and it can be compared.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:47

Arlanymor · 08/10/2025 14:45

She's mentally unstable - she thinks she is more than one missing child. It would be much worse to give credence to her delusion by feeding it with an expensive scientific test, and even then she is absolutely the type of personality (from what we have been able to glean so far) who would contest it for some fanciful reason. Besides we know who are parents are Dorota Wandelt-Cholewinski (mother) and Piotr Cholewinski (stepfather) - or are they both lying? Unlikely.

She can have a notion that she has been misplaced somehow but how on earth would she know who her biological parents are if it was done when she was a toddler? It is nothing strange at all that she has tried other parents too if she has reason to believe she could have been adopted, legally or illegally.

crumpet · 13/10/2025 10:48

The McCanns don’t need to do a dna test. The claimant and their immediate family should do the dna tests as a first step to prove whether or not she is related to the family which brought her up.

Wainscot · 13/10/2025 10:48

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:41

I really want to say this; there is no Polish DNA.
Those ancestry tests just compares your results to the nationality and self-identification of other test users who have taken the same test. I did one test on MyHeritage and got 88% Scandinavian and 12% Western European. Took the same result to another site that compares your results with users who have usen a wide range of companies. Suddenly I had almost 15% Eastern european result, not as high as before percentage of Scandinavian and Western european (but still the majority). I also had 2% native Arctic DNA and 1% Pakistan. (I also had a 15% Celtic match when looking at some other parameter/likelihood, but historically somehow).

I am just saying it seems really dumb to not have a DNA test and compare it to this woman and see if they match or not. If they don't match, then she might actually stop contacting them.
In my opinion she looks alike Madeline's sister Amelie. Not so much the photo from before she went missing though.

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But her DNA was tested, long since, by the Polish police. She’s her parents’ daughter.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:50

MissKitty0 · 08/10/2025 17:17

She already did a DNA test on Dr Phil which showed her ancestry with Polish and 100% Eastern European. Madeleine would be British/Irish.

Absolutely not. An ancestry test shows nothing, she should do a DNA test to see if she is related to the McCanns specifically. You could be born in Scotland and for the test to say 80% Scandinavian, 20% Eastern european. And then try a different company and get a different result. I also read that perhaps she was concieved thorugh a donated egg?

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:54

Wainscot · 13/10/2025 10:48

But her DNA was tested, long since, by the Polish police. She’s her parents’ daughter.

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No, they refused to do a DNA test actually. "Wendel's family reportedly declined to submit a DNA test to establish their genetic relationship to her, according to the New York Post on Thursday. Instead, her mother allegedly told the Post that she could establish Wendel's parentage through photographs and a birth certificate." https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1677231545-polish-police-say-julia-wendel-is-not-madeleine-mccann#google_vignette
So the police just said that she is the parent's biological daughter despite them having refused to prove it with a test.

Polish police say Julia Wendel is not Madeleine McCann - i24NEWS

The police claimed that although their investigation was not yet over, they had already been able to rule out the idea that Wendel was McCann - Click the link for more details.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1677231545-polish-police-say-julia-wendel-is-not-madeleine-mccann#google_vignette

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:57

crumpet · 13/10/2025 10:48

The McCanns don’t need to do a dna test. The claimant and their immediate family should do the dna tests as a first step to prove whether or not she is related to the family which brought her up.

Julia's parents refused to do a DNA-test to prove it. Julia has done one apperently but it was a crappy ancestry test and not a proper DNAtest to determine if she is related to the McCanns. They should just do one and compare them. Anyway, she does not seem to be lying about having been dissplaced as a toddler as her parents refuse to just take a DNA-test to prove they are her biological parents. So much displacement have been going on all over the world for centuries, but in particular the 19th and 20th century.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 11:06

Honestly, the McCanns should really do ancestry DNA tests on every company in case Madeline actually is alive somewhere and submit a test of her own. That is how adopted people sometimes have found their biological relatives. Forget the "Ethnicity DNA" as that is not at all accurate, but it will show if someone is your parent or sibling.

ARichtGoodDram · 13/10/2025 11:33

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 11:06

Honestly, the McCanns should really do ancestry DNA tests on every company in case Madeline actually is alive somewhere and submit a test of her own. That is how adopted people sometimes have found their biological relatives. Forget the "Ethnicity DNA" as that is not at all accurate, but it will show if someone is your parent or sibling.

I would be very surprised if they're not on all the ancestry type sites, very likely under a false name.

I know someone who has a missing relative (missing for a long time) and it was one of the things suggested.

cgwdwnmi · 13/10/2025 11:47

The woman is mentally unwell and the trial is about her stalking the McCanns and not whether she is Madeleine or not.

Also, I think that the McCanns know that Madeleine is dead (and not because of the ridiculous theory that they did it). I thought that the German and Portuguese police were pretty certain that Christian Bruckner had abducted and murdered her, they just don't have enough evidence to charge him with it.
So no, Madeleine McCann is sadly not going to show up in Poland (magically aging almost a couple of years) or anywhere else.

whatshallidowithyou · 13/10/2025 11:55

I know she’s not but just imagine it did turn out to be Madeleine? What a crazy day that would be for everyone !!

That poor little girl, I have a dd the sene age as she was when she went missing and it breaks my heart to think what she might have went through and how confused she would’ve been. That sick fucker since been let out of prison, I believe it was him.

smilesy · 13/10/2025 12:00

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:44

You don't know that and you don't know her, you have seen headlines. If this woman is adopted or displaced as a baby/toddler the likelihood of her to have mental health problems is high, it is also a historical fact that these things have happened quite a lot in the world without the child being told the truth.

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She has previously claimed to be two other children who have disappeared, before settling on being Madeleine. So I don’t think the results of a DNA test showing that she is not Madeleine would be a surprise to anyone else. Given that she is determined to be Madeleine, it would seem unlikely that she herself would accept any result as being legitimate. The whole affair is very sad

Meredusoleil · 13/10/2025 12:03

Julia's parents refusing a DNA test is definitely fishy. Why would you not do one if you're sure? They must have something to hide imho.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 12:14

cgwdwnmi · 13/10/2025 11:47

The woman is mentally unwell and the trial is about her stalking the McCanns and not whether she is Madeleine or not.

Also, I think that the McCanns know that Madeleine is dead (and not because of the ridiculous theory that they did it). I thought that the German and Portuguese police were pretty certain that Christian Bruckner had abducted and murdered her, they just don't have enough evidence to charge him with it.
So no, Madeleine McCann is sadly not going to show up in Poland (magically aging almost a couple of years) or anywhere else.

I don't think it is Julia because she doesn't look like Madeline, has a different face structure and eyes etc. But there is nothing magical about illegal adoptions and child trafficking. Sadly, I also think the poor little girl is not alive either and I have no opinion or idea of who it is or if the parents are innocent or guilty. But the fact that Julia think she has been displaced and that her parents she grew up with refuses to do a DNA test to me says Julia is likely half right, but the biological parents are probably other people.

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 12:17

ARichtGoodDram · 13/10/2025 11:33

I would be very surprised if they're not on all the ancestry type sites, very likely under a false name.

I know someone who has a missing relative (missing for a long time) and it was one of the things suggested.

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Well I don't know. That is what most people would have done, but most parents surely wouldn't have left their sleeping toddlers at a hotel while going to a restaurant for a whole night? I also would have done a DNA test for all "accusers" to match with which would quickly destroy their chances of getting fame through claiming to be the missing child...

Arlanymor · 13/10/2025 14:49

Seashells83 · 13/10/2025 10:47

She can have a notion that she has been misplaced somehow but how on earth would she know who her biological parents are if it was done when she was a toddler? It is nothing strange at all that she has tried other parents too if she has reason to believe she could have been adopted, legally or illegally.

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She is mentally unwell: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11936625/Julia-Wendell-Polish-woman-believes-Madeleine-McCann-receives-DNA-test-results.html

Woman who believes she may be Madeleine McCann receives DNA results

Julia Wendell, 21, became an internet sensation when she claimed she was Madeleine - despite her own parents branding her claims as 'lies and manipulation'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11936625/Julia-Wendell-Polish-woman-believes-Madeleine-McCann-receives-DNA-test-results.html

Gingernaut · 13/10/2025 14:52

AlansKey · 08/10/2025 13:11

Why haven’t all parties agreed to a proper and official and binding DNA test?

Is Kate McCann rejecting the chance of Julia Wandelt being Madeleine based only on the basis of her saying “I think I’d recognise Madeleine”?

Maddie had a distinctive collaboration eye deformity, creating a keyhole shape

This is not something that can be grown out of

Anyone can tell that this attention seeking nutter is not Maddie, simply by looking at her

ARichtGoodDram · 13/10/2025 14:52

Well I don't know. That is what most people would have done, but most parents surely wouldn't have left their sleeping toddlers at a hotel while going to a restaurant for a whole night? I also would have done a DNA test for all "accusers" to match with which would quickly destroy their chances of getting fame through claiming to be the missing child...

The police had stated there is scientific evidence that she's not Madeleine, so given the McCanns are likely to know in far more detail what that is then you've no idea what you'd do in their shoes, none of us do really.

The eye detail doesn't match so if further scientific evidence also shows she's not the child then why would they engage with her at all? Especially when she clearly has a thing for targeting missing children and their families.

Gingernaut · 13/10/2025 14:54

Gingernaut · 13/10/2025 14:52

Maddie had a distinctive collaboration eye deformity, creating a keyhole shape

This is not something that can be grown out of

Anyone can tell that this attention seeking nutter is not Maddie, simply by looking at her

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Collaboration Congenital

Autocorrect is on a roll today

Km80s · 13/10/2025 18:03

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ARichtGoodDram · 13/10/2025 18:13

There is only 2 reasons not to want a DNA test 1 is my always thort they killed her so know she's not alive or 2 they don't want the money they receive to stop

Or because of the eye marking and the police stating they have scientific proof she's not Madeleine they don't feel it necessary...

SerafinasGoose · 13/10/2025 18:13

DoubleShotEspressox · 08/10/2025 14:48

Why would you not do it to shut the whole thing down though?! You can’t argue with DNA.

This woman is very unwell. She has been harassing the family, including the other two children, and if she once gets a response which in any way humours her delusional behaviour they will never be rid of her.

All the advice on how to deal with a stalker is that you give them nothing. No response, no interaction, no pleading, no bargaining. Nada. If they call you 500 times and you pick up on the 501st ring, you've just taught them that it takes 500 attempts to get a response. The amount of time an obsessed stalker will devote to their hobby really shouldn't be underestimated. It becomes a full-time job.

Obsessive fixation like this is not logical, not rational, not something that can be reasoned with or bargained with. The woman sounds delusional. And the first rule of psychology is that it's a pure waste of time to argue with or try to reason away a delusion.

AgnesMcDoo · 13/10/2025 18:16

The court case is about stalking. Not her identity.

TypeyMcTypeface · 13/10/2025 18:25

Is Julie Wandelt known to be adopted (can't find this info on Google)? Unless she is, surely a DNA test to show whether she was her parents' natural daughter would be the first step to take.