Three members of Lucy Letby hospital senior leadership team arrested.

[MissJoGrant]

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They ( police) are not going to admit error though are they? They made up a crime to fit a person, what about the other deaths when she was not there? They believed what doctors that worked in the trust told them that itself is negligent on the police’s part.

In fairness to the COA, they had to consider whether the case met very narrow criteria. Even if it were to later turn out that Letby was totally innocent of everything, it doesn't follow that they made the wrong decision about the application of the legal test.

Wow. I missed that part of the trial … where the police made up very specific medical evidence and somehow put it into the records and into witnesses mouths.

Did you follow the trial, understand the evidence? Her guilt for deaths and injuries very clear and evidence being planted by police …. a fantasy.
Just wow.

I agree. It brings the whole credibility of the witnesses into question.
Which brings the security of the conviction into question.
She probably is guilty. But probably isn’t enough for a guilty conviction and a whole life tariff.

This. I don’t think she is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

It's not perverse. It has nothing to do with who she is and what it looks like and everything to do with the huge amount of facts coming out that cast huge doubt on the safety of her conviction.

You will find a read of some back issues of Private Eye instructive.

The court system isn't perfect and we should all care where it looks like there has been a potential miscarriage of justice

Agree, they could well be trying to reinforce her conviction.

A retrial isn't enough in my opinion, it needs a new investigation by a different police force. Definitely not an "expert witness" either who offered his services and stated, "within 10 minutes, I knew it was murder."

It is very clearly now that one key witness was perjuring the court. Read the first article linked to.

He conveniently failed to disclose a memo that casts a very different perspective on events.

Private Eye haven't exactly got a glowing record of being right about medical stories though, have they? cough MMR cough

Nonsense. Have you seen the recent reviews into maternity services?! The NHS currently spends more money on compensation than it does on actual maternity services. And the poor parents wait years to get compensation due to cover ups by staff including senior ones.

I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean they are always wrong either.

And a whole bunch of medical experts are raising real concerns.

And we only have to look at the Sally Clark story to realise how devastatingly wrong medical "expert witnesses" can be

Did you not read this bit...

An international panel of medical experts has provided case summaries on all 17 babies who featured in the 10-month trial of Lucy Letby.

The 14-strong panel concluded that no criminal offences had been committed at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015 and 2016 and instead provided alternative causes of death.....

...and the list which follows it, which essentially says that none of the babies were murdered.

The thrust here is not that they failed to stop Letby. It's that she was not culpable - they were. The negligence was towards the babies.

Now, I don't have the qualifications to make a definitive judgement on this. And I suspect that practically no one here does either.

I expected it - the news reports state that these arrests do NOT bring into question her convictions so they do not help her in any way, but I assume the point is that the systems/checks/oversights were poorly lacking to enable the serial murder of vulnerable children so this necessitates further prosecutions.

Tony Chambers must be one (no knowledge of today's events but just based on knowledge of the case).

On the contrary she is one of the few who is. FACT number one being that Lucy has been found guilty of murder with attempts at appeal refused. None of the spurious so called contradictory evidence from a panel of other medics changes that. Professional’s disagree all the time. Lucy had one of the most eminent KC’s defending her who has won a lot of high profile cases and defended many celebrities. For those of you who their defence was a shambles you are implying he’s either incompetent or corrupt. As he’s clearly not the former tat only leaves the latter which is an extremely serious allegation to make so I would think again. Her conviction is absolutely safe and I’m confident and glad that she will never see the light of day free again.

Not sure what’s going on but interested in what this means for LL if anything

They were not recruited by the defence. The panel was led by dr Lee whose research was incorrectly used by the prosecution to convict her. He was not allowed to her in her defence at her appeal. He got senior neonatal worldwide (professors etc not retired for 12yrs paediatrician) clinicians to review the evidence on the proviso that whatever the outcome of the review, they had to make that public. Lucy & her team agreed.

Not the three names, if correct, I was hoping for.

Goodness me. Will the families of these poor babies ever get any peace or closure - how long will this drag on? An absolutely abhorrent situation that should never have happened.

Please remember, to those who say "the poor parents not knowing". They have spoken out. They remain convinced of her guilt. They knew her, they saw her at the time, unlike any of us. Even before this all came out, many were already so concerned the tried or did- move their babies out of her care to other hospitals. They grew alarmed by her behaviour. By the number of babies in such a short period, many babies stable and about to leave hospital, suddenly under her care crashing, getting severely ill or passing away. For their sake, it is this we should remember and not be patronising enough to assume they are now confused about this all. They remain sure.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgre63r354o

Where were these experts during the trial? LL had opportunity to call witnesses … but chose not to.

Having experts after the fact, pointless.

and, that their testimony hasn’t been tested under oath during trial.

its all LL fantasy innocence …

I expect they are extreme pleased to see the buck doesn’t stop with LL. They know she should have been stopped earlier and those responsible for not stopping her should be brought to justice.

I thought that Lucy had taken out a complaint against some of these doctors about poor practice, they then accused her of killing. I might have got this wrong but that was what I thought the timeline was.

if senior doctor admitted lying in court the case is unsafe.

...you're more interested in the process than in the truth, aren't you?