Three members of Lucy Letby hospital senior leadership team arrested.

[MissJoGrant]

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Exactly this! Was scrolling through hoping at least one other person was thinking the same!

Nothing ever shocks me more than other people’s complete lack of curiosity. Just to be dead set on “I think this and that is it. I don’t need or care to know anything more” is wild.
It often transfers to their food, holiday destinations, and ultimately conversation.
I just can’t imagine living like that.

It's sort of fascinating and horrifying at the same time isn't it.

It's sad too though because I used to be able to rely on Mumsnet as a place for intelligent discussion. Now it just seemed to be primitive pitchfork waving.

Always gives me the Nanny Ogg 'rhubarb rhubarb' vibes

As it is, I don’t think she’s guilty anyway but if she was she’s hardly likely to confirm that guilt by killing again!

That's exactly what she'd do if she got the chance. Serial killers aren't exactly known for their self-control are they? She couldn't help herself, which is why she was finally removed after attacking so many babies in such a short amount of time. If someone could control themselves like you seem to think and just not kill again serial killers probably wouldn't exist.

Well, she mysteriously managed to control herself until the events of 2015/16, didn’t she?

I’m so, so on the fence about the whole thing.

There’s something so odd about her demeanour. Almost feels like she’s covering for someone. This is pure gut feeling on my part.

She could well be guilty but I also think there’s a strong possibility of a miscarriage of justice.

Will be very interesting to see what happens with this.

Considering there is an active investigation into her other crimes-no it very much looks like she didn't. But anyway, it's a gradual escalation-they do more and more things to see what they can get away with. Also because the lesser crimes probably weren't giving her a buzz anymore (as awful as that sounds) if she could control herself on any level by the end she wouldn't be sitting in prison right now. It's like an addiction, she couldn't stop until she was removed from the unit. And don't you ever wonder why she was so keen to get back on there where all these terrible things kept happening to her?

One of the most baffling things about the Lucy Letby case is that people comment on her behaviour in court as indicative or otherwise of her guilt. For two years prior to her arrest, she was bullied at work. The fact the grievance was upheld supports that. Then she was arrested and bailed, then arrested again and denied bail. Then it goes to trial and she’s pumped full of the strongest anti depressants there are to get through it, she’s been living in a cell, she’s denied friends and family, she’s had to sell her home, rehome her pets and pretty much lost the life she had. I imagine she’s barely sleeping or eating and is numb from medication. Do you not think your demeanour might come across a little flat?

I will admit that I am curious about this particular case, but there are plenty of others where I am not in the least bit curious. For example, things that I would consider to be straying into conspiracy theory territory, or simply not worthy of any more of my limited brain space. It seems unfair to assume that just because many posters have made up their minds about Lucy Letby’s guilt, that they are somehow lacking in intellectual curiosity.

You mean they are investigating deaths of premature babies that already have a cause of death that she has come into contact with.

Considering there is an active investigation into her other crimes

You mean alleged crimes I presume @Firefly1987?

I don't tend to make my mind up about things unless I have read into them. Even then my mind is open to new information.

I would say that is the very essence of intellectual curiosity.

What people have to remember is those of us who aren't sure aren't saying LL is innocent and 100% there was a cover up. What we are saying is this conviction isn't safe. There's ample evidence that wasn't used and information that wasn't heard in the court case.
We can't ever be OK with usafe convictions.
Imagine LL is your daughter or sister or friend. Would you be OK if the conviction wasn't safe?

@RefreshingMist are you on her new defence team or something?
You know nothing more than any other poster or maybe one of her family members?

Assuming all pp’s who’ve disagreed with you and decided that the verdict returned by those who heard & seen all medical & criminal evidence are all intellectually inferior to you 🤣 Grow up silly your not in any way intellectually superior.

To have no interest in a case is one thing. To not be interested in hearing about different perspectives and explanations of the evidence of a case you are interested is the very definition of a lack of intellectual curiosity.

You’re* not in any way intellectually superior.

also who've...imo

who've heard & seen vs who heard & saw

imo

How do you know they're not intellectually superior?

I see @RefreshingMisthas a few fans on this thread 🤣

Nope. Not on her defence team. Not made my mind up on her guilt. I know as much as any reasonably well read person.

The information isn't hard to get hold of it you are even a teeny tiny bit curious. Someone has shared the private eye reports on this thread for starters. And there are other shorter articles from reputable sources too.

Exactly.

This is about the importance of a justice system that recognises its vulnerabilities and is prepared to revisit a conviction if compelling evidence comes to light.

It's the sound of the grammar police.

glass houses & all that

Serial killers all start somewhere, often it starts with lesser offences and builds to killing, and in some cases they just stop as well.

That's not quite right. Some people posting, through what they post, show that they don't know as much as other posters. I'm not going to trawl back into the thread naming every single instance, but one that comes to mind is a comment saying not one of the experts was in court so they don't know what went on. That's incorrect. One of them was there every day bar two or three, and the days they weren't there they read the court Transcripts.