Lucy Connolly appeal rejected

[WitchesCauldron]

Let me get out my tiny violin. Just because she's sorry now doesn't change the fact she's a racist who incited violence

She lied on appeal, she claimed she would advance an implied mental health defence which she didn’t believe, and made a post that looked slap bang to meet inciitement to racial hatred. None of this is credible and her appeal almost made it worse. Either she lied to her lawyers or she thought a criminal court would not look at her motivation. If so very poorly advised.

I’m very comfortable people who are inciting violence and racial hatred to be punished

I have no time for this vile woman.

However, as a “TERF”, I’ve had countless direct death threats, rape threats, and torture threats in varying formats over the past decade. The police are never interested. Why is that?

She deserves her punishment. I’m so sick of people down playing what happened wrt all the tweets inciting racial hatred and calling for violence against asylum seekers back in the Summer. They al deserved what they got. Nasty pieces of work.

But his case hasn't been heard yet

And she pleaded guilty so less likely to get bail

I'll be honest, I've have been thinking about this a lot. I was on here saying that I was in agreement with her sentence.

Then I looked at it again and in the context of people who've been released for other things. I agree that our system makes no sense.

However, she was so incredibly specific in what she said. It's one thing to say something over the top because you're upset. But that read like an actual instruction. So incitement seems fair.

And she pled guilty although she is now saying she didn't understand that plea.

I do think that Ricky guy needs to be put away too but I'm guessing he will be.

In general, none of our sentencing seems to add up when you look at actual harm done, etc.

Because VAWG is downplayed generally across society?

The people holding decapitate TERF signs and others of a similar ilk should be prosecuted as should those who threaten women for having an opinion they don't like.

Sentencing can be done on harm actual or intended. The second element accounts for her severe sentence when she admitted incitement to racial hatred. She said she wanted them to burn, I believe.

She is entitled to her views

But to actually incite violence is a different thing.

I am a woman of colour by the way and I was really frightened by what happened last summer. So I appreciate that that some of my views were informed by fear. Which is why I wanted to rethink what I said about her sentence. But I still think it's incitement.

I thought about this far too much last week! 😂

I actually do.

Do you agree with her?

Rapists and child sex offenders possibly need longer sentences, but this has no relevance whatsoever to Lucy Connolly or her case, because you are comparing apples with oranges.

People who either indulge in, or incite civil disorder always have the book thrown at them by the judiciary. It was no different with the riots back in 2010/2011, and it won't be any different the next time some racist piece of filth either attempts to burn down a hotel or encourages a mob to do it. You can argue all you like about whether sentences for sex offenders and suchlike are too lenient, but that's a wholly separate issue from the question of how people who flagrantly destroy civil order, ignore the law, riot, loot, arson, and render setting foot on the street impossible for ordinary members of the public are treated. They are always rushed through the courts, always given harsh sentences, and this is entirely the way it should be since they are indulging in something that is fundamentally at odds with maintaining a civilised society.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s like that couple who kept sending nasty emails to a school about their recruitment policies. There seems to be no sensible communication anymore.

And maybe that is what would have happened if she wasn't tweeting during a time of violence where people in hotels were being targeted and threatened with arson.

If you post in SM in support of violence and rioting during actual riots, the law is going to come down on you like a ton of bricks, as some idiots found out in 2011.

I agree. It was an abhorrent thing to say. She deleted it immediately when she had calmed down. A mistake. Community punishment would have been more appropriate. Our prisons are full.

The police need to handle these cases with a bit more dare I say common sense. It would save a lot more aggro and court cases.

she tweeted on the 29th of July so no riots had taken place yet. But it still looks like an instruction.

Community punishment wasn't an option, though. Judges have to follow sentencing guidelines. Connolly signed a statement confirming that she knew what the minimum sentence would be if she pleaded guilty.

Indeed

The idea that an appropriate response to "Inciting Racial Hatred", especially while in a febrile environment which actually saw hotels set alight shortly thereafter, is for the police to put her on the naughty step for 10 mins and ask her to think about her behaviour, is totally ridiculous.

I’ve said above why I disagree that it’s a whole separate question. At a technical level you’re right: the fact that the sentencing guidelines for rape are weak is not in itself a case for reducing sentencing elsewhere. But in terms of the effect on public acceptance of the justice system these things absolutely are connected, particularly where there is the risk of a perception of different outcomes for different types of offender. If a migrant can be let off for rape because his background meant he didn’t realise it was illegal, but a mother who lost a child cannot receive leniency for saying something ghastly about migrants in the aftermath of the murder of children by someone it was believed (rightly and it turned out) to be influenced by Islamist extremism a situation occurs in which members of the public may well feel that white Britons are judged differently from immigrants of other ethnicities, and that victims from these differing backgrounds are also regarded as deserving different grades of justice. That is a significant political problem and at the very least it offers substantial rhetorical opportunities to those with genuinely far right agendas.

If a migrant can be let off for rape because his background meant he didn’t realise it was illegal

Example?

Ignorance of the law, is not, and never has been an admissible defence, for glaringly obvious reasons.

Fair point.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/amp/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html

Spared jail rather than absolutely let off — so no, it wasn’t a defender and couldn’t be, but it was liberally taken into account by the judge in sentencing.

Do you have a link that actually works, because that just takes you to some sort of screen-wide Facebook banner.

It takes you to the Daily Mail website. Try scrolling down.

It asks to accept god knows what, and sorry, I'm not accepting anything related to a Daily Mail website