Grenfell Tower - what am I missing??

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Just listening to the news and various survivors and victims groups from Grenfell Tower giving very strong opinions on the plans to disassemble the building.
I'm not quite following why some want it to stay up? Do they mean as a sort of memorial? Can anyone explain?

The remains of their family members are technically still in there.

For some, taking the building down is erasing it and everything that happened.
But, if it stays up, it will still need to be maintained to a point.
Difficult.

Unless your family members died in the Grenfell disaster you won't get it and you also don't need to. There feelings are legitimate wether you understand them or not

Probably an emotional thing rather than intelligence thing (respectfully), maybe?
It isn't an area of historical interest but does have lots of emotional interest

This. Lots of the victims were unable to be retrieved. It's a grave for many of them.

You can't judge those that don't want it gone. I'm assuming loved ones are still there. It's still a reminder to many people on a daily basis when you drive around in west London and over west cross route/A40.

Ok but we don't leave other terrible accident sites, plane crashes for example?

I didn't read the OP as judging, just confused and wanting to appreciate the perspective of those who want it to stay.

Realistically it can’t stay up. But emotionally that will be hard for the families of those who died.

I think people are worried it’s going to just be built on and those who died forgotten .

The people responsible haven’t been punished yet have they ?

I guess whilst it’s there it’s always a memory of what happened and should never happen again .

Agreed. It seems that the victims and relatives of Grenfell have been given a huge amount of consideration already but they seem to expect to have influence over the future of the site which victims of other tragedies don’t expect or get.
No mention is ever made of the fact that a lot of the flats were illegally subletted and letted to illegal immigrants. That’s why it was so difficult to trace who was actually living there

There are numerous tragedies where the bodies and remains are somewhere on the site but we do clear the site, this isnt unique

It does need to come down and a different memorial built in its place.

I think part of the problem is that it is structurally unsound and therefore dangerous.

Yes. Respecting the fact some of the families would like it to stay doesn't mean it has to stay. Just that their feelings shouldn't just be dismissed because others don't understand them.

The building was there before the accident so its taking away an existing site (which now has a tradgey attached to it) rathe than removing an object which has landed there to restore the area.

If they have been given the opportunity to express their opinions then it's only right their opinions should be listened to. Not necessarily acted on but definitely listened to. Does it matter if the person who lost their life was there illegally? Definitely doesn't matter to their family members.

Unless their family burnt alive in there, no , no-one can explain it to you FFS

The tragedy happened in part because these people were ignored. Resident Ed Daffarn wrote a blog post predicting the loss of life. I can imagine that in addition to the reasons PP have given, that they don’t want to be made invisible for political convenience.

It seems that the victims and relatives of Grenfell have been given a huge amount of consideration already

Like the fact no-one has been prosecuted ..and lots of UK tower blocks still have flammable cladding and it could happen again, yes, a huge amount of consideration.

And how dare you throw around a statement some aren't identified, all 72 people were identified and some were asylum seekers, human beings. If their immigration status is something that has bearing on is, its only in the mind of sub-human scumbags.

I think it shows the state of social
housing though if some council tenants were sub letting their flats out and other flats were occupied by illegal immigrants. The council should have known exactly who was living in the flats.

seven and a half years on and there have been no criminal convictions of the corporations and individuals responsible for the fire. The bereaved, survivors and immediate residents have not been respectfully included in the recent decision, meaning their voices are ignored yet again. There is no justice.

It was horrific.
It looked eerie and desperately sad.
It’s so tricky as to know what to do with it.
It would be very wrong to build on the ( very valuable) plot.
A memorial ought to be there for sure.
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14 of the flats in Grenfell Tower in London were privately owned by leaseholders at the time of the 2017 fire. The flats were bought under the Right to Buy policy.

They were able to rent those flats out such as to the young Italians who were privately renting.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/grenfell-tower-inquiry-diary-week-83-they-died-together-as-they-lived-caring-for-one-another-76462

It should be razed (for safety) and a memorial created working with those affected

Especially as warnings long before the disaster occurred were raised by residents as to fire risk,but were ignored.

That celotex cladding &c was put on to make the building more attractive to wealthy neighbours.