Child rapists given 'life' sentences

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Ok, I cannot find another thread on this but I'm disgusted and confused. The horrific case of child abuse from Glasgow is being reported as being given 'life' sentences. But this includes OLRs ( orders for lifelong restrictions) and means an opportunity to be out on parole.
I am sorry, but that is not a life sentence in my eyes.
How can such depravity and literal torture of children receive prison sentences between 8 and 20 years? 8 years!
How is this right?

I pray for those children, it sounds as if they are finally receiving some of the love and care they always deserved.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o

@Bigwelshlamb I'm so sorry your daughter, and you, had to go through that.

I understand the logic of not wanting the death penalty. But I also think that the wish to inflict death on people like this is very natural and deserved at the same time.

It actually said on the BBC that they were omitting details of locations, etc to protect the victims, so any family relationships would definitely be left out. Poor souls. Like a PP I cried reading the report today. I hope they're with the loveliest foster parents now.

@Bigwelshlamb I am so sorry for what happened to your DD and your family.

Yea I get that. I went through quite a period of fantasising about slitting his throat so I genuinely understand the need. It's a natural thing particularly when it's concerning your child but that's too simple for me and I would rather he just suffers and lives in fear. I don't have the actual courage to kill him and it's not ok for me to pass that responsibility onto anyone else. Without wishing to sound glib, our best punishment is to carry on, love each other and keep moving forward together as his life remains static and fearful and alone. My daughter is my hero, my absolute hero. I admire her so deeply, her strength and qualities she didn't even know she had before this happened. Her courage stopped a man who would have killed her and others if she hadn't been so brave. We found out at trial he had decided the day he would kill her so she feels she's cheated death already. My daughter reached into the future and plucked this evil bastard out and saved countless women and children. Even at her darkest moments, she's known that about herself. So no, I don't want him to die. I want him to live every second inside his fetid lonely life, shunned and unloved and vilified even by his fellow inmates. Death is too simple an end and too easy for him. I hope in the longer term these children can take comfort in their role in saving others. It's awful, truly awful but that's where the emphasis needs to be, on their bravery and their recoveries.

These drug addled wasters are the product of our schools, our health systems, our cities.

It’s shocking that we’ve produced them, and quite right that we bear the responsibility for their punishment and containment.

Those poor children. We need to do better.

I only heard about it the other day.

I think it's been kept so quiet to protect the children's identities, keep them safe and try to identify all the evil scum involved.

Regarding OPs post, I think the UK justice system really does not understand the depravity needed and lifelong effects of child abuse, especially sexual abuse on the victims.

I think this case also demonstrates how safeguarding is EVERYONES business. The report doesn't go into details, but for these children to have suffered for years with that level of abuse, why did they only have social care involvdd a couple of years before the abuse was discovered?These children were living in a flat, how did no neighbours hear any screaming or crying? Did school not pick up any concerns? Those 3 children would have been displaying signs that there was something going on.

It really feels like recently there has been either an increase in reporting or an increase in sexual/ violent offences involving children: Rudakabana, this group of sick subhumans, kids getting stabbed on the bus, a welsh school girl who stabbed 2 teachers to be famous, a 10/11 yr old boy in Birmingham. What is happening here?! It seems like the government are looking at each case individually. There must be something in common. It's terrifying

It is reported on the BBC news that social services were first involved in 2017.

I saw that, the allegations about what was happening came in 2020 though and then you said 'before they were removed'

So when where they removed and who from?

@soupyspoon from the situation that failed to protect them. We don’t know how the dc were exposed to these people. But the people supposed to protect them did not (and perhaps were the perpetrators, we don’t know) so they were removed.

To know more would expose the identity of the dc even more than has already happened.
I wonder if they move area, as locally everyone will know who they are. It’s not usually good for children to be moved, but maybe in this case…

Absolutely disgusting, I am so confused how things like this can be going on for seven years and not one person realised.

I am another person wondering how they had access to these children.

I am glad to hear there is very little chance of them ever leaving prision.

Its reported that the abuse occurred between 2012-2019, but social services were aware/involved with the children in 2017.

Social services involvement doesnt automatically mean they were removed.

Don't be daft, do you think we sympathise with them because they're white or something? How ridiculous. By your reckoning, it sounds as though you sympathise with non white child rapists!

These creatures are a waste of space and oxygen and don't deserve to live for what they've done, whatever colour their skin happens to be.

I'd prefer it if they beaten daily and only given enough bland food/water to just about keep them alive whilst keeping them in an unheated windowless cell with no furniture and a hard stone floor where they resided 24/7;let them suffer and wish they were dead.

I don’t know what we’ll find out about the church connection. The man who they disclosed to know them through church and work. I think they may have been using church community events to get themselves fed.
The families and the abusers may not have been churchgoers at all.

Absolutely this.

I know, that's what I said, they were not removed.

Sorry, I think i quoted you instead of someone else.

I only heard about this yesterday. It came up on my feed on BBC Scotland’s page.

It’s utterly horrific. The worst case of child abuse I’ve ever read.

In Scotland it’s common for non Christians to attend church events - movie nights, kids’ clubs etc. It’s seen as free childcare and they often get fed. Most adults in Scotland will have went to Sunday school when they were kids. They wouldn’t class themselves as Christian though, and they wouldn’t go to church services. So I think to say they are Christian is unfair.

The fact that so many people were involved is staggering. They don’t appear to be related (none of them have the same surname). How on earth did they justify what they did? I just can’t get my head around it.

I hope these children get the love and support they need and are able to break the cycle of abuse.

There are photos of the children on social media. Surely with a crime such as this social media accounts should be closed down to protect their identity.

@RunVelma yes I just saw that poor kids

@RunVelma I've not seen and won't look. That's appalling they are being shared, but doesn't surprise me. It's no one's business to see those photos.

It’s not being shared per se, but the social media accounts of the gang members have been shared and they are very revealing. Why on earth they haven’t been shut down before now I do not know.

Surely in a case such as this the police have the power to close down social media accounts?