Sunderland police station set on fire

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It appears that the rioters have set Sunderland police station on fire

news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819

My dad was a coal miner and was forced into redundancy when the pit burnt down. The reason he couldn't find a job is because he had a secondary school education and did nothing in his life to better himself. These people think that everything should be handed to them because they're "British" but they don't actually want to work for anything.

You don't tend to hear successful, well educated people banging on about "taking our country back" because they've got cultural capital and have bothered to enrich themselves.

These people want to blame others, namely brown people, for the fact that they're complete failures because they can't accept that they actually have to work hard to get somewhere in life.

The main reason for immigration is people seeking a better quality of life for themselves and the right wing thugs bitching and moaning about it are just jealous that their criminal records likely prevent them from doing the exact same thing. Shame we can't send them to live in Trump's America.

The EDL hasn't existed for over a decade but that doesn't fit the narrative does it? Talk about misinformation being spewed on the internet. Double standards.

This is about immigration, free speech, two tier policing and policy.

Haha yeah, I changed my name to one that sounds white, the same CV started getting me interviews, it also had the added benefit of getting “I wasn’t expecting one of you” or a variation of from quite a few interviewers. My white husband with an English sounding name had no issues getting a job in the UK despite not going to uni and doing an apprenticeship instead, which in our industry was very new and looked at suspiciously in our industry at the time. I was the British one, he was the foreigner.

Sadly yes.

What does it mean to exist ?

A bunch of people with a common belief self organising under the same leadership .... a EDL by any other name would smell as rank

Why keep saying Christian? It was agreed on here unnecessary references to faith were stoking flames of bigotry.

I don’t know if the families of those children have spoke publicly, but I can’t imagine losing a child in such a horrific way and then this atrocious behaviour being carried out in connection to her death. It’s too much for these families and these scum bags are making it worse. It’s interesting how many Facebook connections I’ve had to delete this week because they’ve shown their true colours. I detest them.

Twitter is vile right now. The number of racists I have blocked after reading their posts was ridiculous . I also reported as many too.
I am out today with friends so will avoid Twitter and the news. Just hope there is no trouble planned for Cardiff later.

Murderer's

Absolute scum. I think water cannons and tear gas are required 🤔

@Cocobeau the mother of one of the girls has called for peace. It's absolutely awful that she should have to do that.
I am always extremely struck by the bravery of parents who have lost children, of all races. Somehow, they muster up immense dignity. I would be a ranting mess.

@Rainbowsponge because it keeps being used as a distraction from fact. He's Christian so calm down everyone.

And if there hadn't been a genocide in Rwanda they wouldn't have been given asylum in Cardiff

How far back do you want to take your ridiculous argument?

Someone needs to tell all the rioting thickos that then, seeing as they were the ones chanting “EDL”.

Out of interest, how far back do you go for every murderer? If their ancestors hadn’t come over with the Roman/Viking/etc etc invaders X atrocity wouldn’t have happened? I’m sure you do this, otherwise you’d just be a thundering bigot with no real argument, which I’m sure you’re not.

One of the victims was Portuguese (born in Portugal). If the parents hadn’t came to the uk , that girl should be alive. Should we start blaming all immigrants ?

ps I’m an immigrant myself in the uk. I don’t think it was the murders parents fault nor the poor girls parents. It was only his fault

Off topic but aren't you nice denigrating and mocking your own father to prove a point. Certainly showing your true colours (no pun intended).

Toxic masculinity has a lot to do with it. The idea they’re “protecting” or “defending” their country fits into their warped version of what it is to be a man. Sunderland also has high levels of deprivation, low literacy rates, poor educational attainment. The frustration of that combined with this masculine narrative creates this kind of pent up anger.

Northerner now living near Sunderland.
The issue is 3 fold imo:
1- The North has been left behind economically since Thatcher. There are lots of ex-mining villages/towns which have never recovered so you have multi-generational unemployment and living on benefits. This translates into lack of engagement in education and employment
2- lack of multi culturalism. The NE in particular is a heavy white WC monoculture. Ethnic diversity tends to only occur in the poorer towns and cities so ethnicity is always "the other"
3- Both of the above feed the far right which feeds off feelings of resentment and "other". If you have people who are sat at home all day then a day trip out to riot is pretty easy to organise

Easy for middle class, educated Londoners to sit and pontificate about this all being the fault of the far right etc but the issues go a lot deeper. Yes the far right are mobilising the riots and stoking the hostility but they are only capitalising on feelings which already exist.
If groups of people, who rightly or wrongly feel that they are "natives" of a country, feel marginalised and left out of society they will always look for scapegoats.

Southport and Sunderland both sound so similar, of course🤨🙄

But at the same time people do need to take some responsibility for their lives

It's been several generations since the pits closed - people expected something to be done and so didn't prioritise doing something themselves like getting a decent education for themselves or for their children

Don't get me wrong - the lack of opportunity, the mismatch between the overcrowded over expensive London area and the rest of the country makes me mad

I was lucky as my parents pushed me to learn and I got out and got a career but so many kids thought I was the fool

Yes I agree. There are a LOT of middle class social justice warriors on here, who never have to worry about the issues they sneer dismissively at. They say they care about those in poverty, immigrants etc but don’t actually like them that much and live in very white middle class areas. They would be utterly horrified if a refugee hotel set up across the road. They refuse to confront their hypocrisy.

I agree 100% but the plain fact is that they haven't/won't. They expected other jobs to be made available which weren't and there simply aren't the jobs around now (that they are willing to do). So you have 3+ generations on benefits. Instead of looking at how to improve their own lives, they look for other people to blame which is where the far right come in.

There's also some men who just bloody love some aggro and a fight. It's fun and exciting for them. So any excuse...even if they don't actually give a damn what it's all about. Known men like this all my adult life.

I know an ex 1980s Millwall man, all grown up, calmed down, nearly 60, respectable. He told me about being in a train carriage recently where there'd been a 'bit of a Barney' and his eyes literally lit up with excitement.

@twistyizzy I hear you about middle class Londoners ( me, I guess) pontificating. It's a complicated issue, and not unique to the UK. Everywhere in the world, people like to blame others when they fall on tough times, and gravitate towards the far right.

I hope such discussions are not shut down. .