Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

I mean ffs - what don't you understand????

Clearly she stayed with him BECAUSE he tampered with the breaks on her mother's car.

More than likely he told her that next time - he would kill her mother.

This young woman left him. With the most devastating consequences for that family. The highest of high prices paid.

It is not because women pick badly, don't leave. are weak, keep going back or any of that.

It is because a violent aggressive bastard decided that, this time, he would do it.

This happened in 2020.
I think we'll find quite a few more cases of men killing since then.

Perhaps you should reflect and be less patronising. What a load of bollocks.

Oh FFS.

This is getting ridiculous now. And terribly insulting.

Fucking stop it with the idiotic “ohh but women can be just as bad”

This input is not needed. Nor is it wanted.

I’m sorry to read that the fact one woman being killed every three days by a man in the UK isn’t a big enough number for you to consider male violence against women a serious problem.

If you pay even a small amount of attention to the stories behind these murders, the details are so shockingly similar it’s scary. So yes, whilst a lot of men don’t murder, enough do to make it clear this is a massive issue that shouldn’t be swept under the carpet by cries of NAMALT.

@Charlize43
Why post that? no one on this thread has claimed that women don't commit crimes. The amount of violent crime committed by women is an order of magnitude lower than that committed by men, as you well know I am sure.

Yes. Dh is a good man. Considers himself a feminist ally etc. Born 71. But when I asked him if he ever challenged the shit he heard from other men, even in passing, he was a bit nonplussed.

Ds, however, nearly got his head kicked in at 13 for challenging the misogyny of boys in his class. I'm proud of him, but it feels odd that we're going backwards. Why aren't there more boys like him? Their parents are as old or younger than me. It's meant to be different.

You do realise that some women stay with bad men because they are scared of what he will do if she leaves? Like, just off the top of my head, he might tie her, her sister, and her mother up and then murder them all if she ends the relationship?

You cannot protect yourself against these men, not even by not dating them. A colleague of mine was stalked by a summer placement student who decided that he wanted her to be his girlfriend and didn't like being told "no".

It's frightening to realise this and so much more comfortable to tell yourself that if you trust your gut and don't get drunk and carry your keys between your fingers and leave if he raises his voice and don't get in his car and... and...and... that you can stay safe unlike those other silly women who aren't as careful as you. In reality, lesbians who never even consider dating men are still raped and murdered by men.

Utterly Horrific... I can only hope that the end came quickly for those 3 poor women and that any period of absolute abject fear/terror and pain was as short as possible for them.

For the perpetrator i wish you pain and fear for eternity!

You are rightly proud of your son. We need more men like him.

@oakleaffy I was once followed through central London by a man who asked for my number and when I politely declined he started threatening me.

Should I have trusted my instincts and given him my number? Should I have trusted my instincts and simply not commuted on foot to work that day?

Your analogy is insulting and depressing. Do better.

In this country alone, men murder 2-3 women a week and have done for decades and decades. For hundreds of years probably. It's so common it doesn't even make the news a lot of the time. In addition to this, men rape tens of thousands of women every single year.

Occasionally a woman commits murder and it pretty much always makes the news because it's rare. The frequency of these crimes is an order of magnitude lower than for male murderers.

And yet people still try to pretend that male and female violence are equivalent / comparable.🙄

Ask men to stop being violent. Don't ask women to stop talking about it.

This

Crippling dowries :

https://www.rightsofequality.com/dowry-the-leading-cause-of-female-infanticides-in-india/#:~:text=The%20Link%20between%20Dowry%20and%20Female%20Infanticides%20in%20India,-It%20is%20not&text=Differences%20in%20the%20value%20of,for%20not%20delivering%20a%20boy.

What the fuck is with all of the NAMALT on this thread.

Seriously fuck off. This is not the place to be pitying MEN.

Pardon my ignorance what does NAMALT mean?

''Follow your instincts'' is always wise advice.
You may ''pooh pooh'' them, but they kept me safe for years when travelling alone - as a young woman, here and abroad.

If you don't like the vibes a man {or woman} is giving off, escape in any way possible.

Wear a wedding ring- {Never say you are travelling alone} invent a big Brother who is waiting for you - go into a shop if you feel threatened- Take back the power.

Who insists on dowries? Men! The groom and his family.

I am glad you are proud of your DS, well done to him.

But yes I am also concerned that we are going backwards. Porn on the rise, tolerance/indulgence of misogyny all around us and too many men with no clue. Where is the disgust and the outrage?

The murder of women is the extreme end of a continuum of misogynistic abuse. I am fairly old (60s) and male violence and intimidation has formed a backcloth to my life, a background hum I take for granted because I have no choice.

I was 11 the first time I was directly victimised....long before that I remember being warned by my mother, at school etc 'don't let strange men talk to you, don't get in the car with them, they might want to hurt you' etc. I can still recall my bemusement: 'Why would a man want to hurt a little girl like me?'

Which works until it doesn't. This couldn't have worked for Sarah Everard.

Women don’t need to change our behaviour.

men do

They knew this man-

You were in the street.
There is a huge difference.

It's easy to give a pestering ''chancer'' the slip.

You can cuss all you like- but ''Situational awareness'' does help keep women safe.

How on earth does that take back the power? How about random psycho shouldn't be following women!

Yep I’d also like to add:

Terri Harris
Gracie Spinks
Amy-Leanne Stringfellow
Sabina Nessa
Bibaa Henry
Nicole Smallman
Elinor O’Brien
Maddie Durdant
Hollie Gazzard
Molly McClaren

From the top of my head.

And HUNDREDS MORE that don’t even get press coverage. @oakleaffy

Should all of these women have “taken back the power”? My blood is boiling

I hope these women’s family and friends never ever see your comments.