Michael Mosley-a body has been found

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Body found in search for presenter Michael Mosley https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kk9gvw8l0o

so sad for his family

@blueshoes no problem. I actually posted last night on here to say people should stop arguing and have some respect. Now I got drawn in to the fray.

Thanks for reminding me that this thread shouldn't be derailed by squabbles.

Terribly sad. I don't agree entirely with the media's approach. The only tiny positive thing that could come out of this tragedy would be if it acted as a reminder to people that we have to respect Nature and her dangers, particularly when in an unfamiliar environment. He had so many followers, and power as an influencer. Yet this message is at risk of being diluted because more than one influential person has stated that he would have been well aware of the risks and had just been unlucky. Any ordinary tourist would have been criticised for unsound judgement, and perhaps even unfairly blamed for putting rescuers at risk, given that a police officer sustained a broken leg and a sniffer dog had burnt paws.

@Idontpostmuch The mayor isn't holding back in his thoughts on the unsound judgement. From the start he couldnt understand why MM would take that route at that time and still today is calling the actions "strange" and "crazy". Nevertheless hindsight is a wonderful thing and perhaps he did just get unlucky. Wrong route? Hotter than expected? Radiant heat off the rocks? Im sure MM was aware of some dangers but thought it would all be OK. Tragically it wasnt.

@ducktapez Interesting. Hadn't come across the mayor's remarks. But I meant the UK media. That's what's going to have influence on the behaviour of Brits on holiday in alien environments. Yet Jeremy Vine and others have stressed how he knew what he was doing.

@Idontpostmuch Of course, I see your point but hopefully the outcome will deter others from risking the same. Unless the mayor is trying to be cute to cover his economy's behind, he was adamant that it was completely illogical to him why anybody would want to be trekking up that mountain side at that time, and this is borne out by the fact the search and rescue didn't look there at all until the footage emerged of MM heading off in that direction. I imagine the vast majority of visitors to that beach bar come via boat rather than walk there. And those that do walk there arent MMs age, don't travel alone and dont arrive in peak midday heat, in a heatwave.

@ducktapez Who knows! You're probably right. I hope so.

I think the mayor and many Greeks will be thinking they would never in a hundred years go walking on a mountain in the midday heat because to them it is just obviously not normal behaviour, living as they do in a hot climate for some of the year. This is a cultural thing and I think not not really aimed at MM personally.

I know when we have done things like this on Crete, local people clearly thought we were lunatics. A lot of locals couldn't get their head round why you would go for a walk just for the sake of it, and also in the hot sun. TBF they are correct about the latter. Even I look back and think wow, that was not sensible.

I'm sure there are Greek walkers out there, not trying to stereotype but there is a cultural norm on walking and on hot sun exposure at midday.

I totally know what you mean.
I know nothing about MM really, but something doesn't quite add up about him choosing to go for few mile walk minimum at 1 30pm on an extra hot week in a Greek island.
I think there could be more to it.
As I'm sure he could have easily walked mid morning or after 6pm for example.
What I'm saying is I don't think he would have initially wanted to go for a walk at peak lunchtime.

I haven’t had a chance to follow the news much in the last day or so. Am I reading right now that CCTV of him descending the mountainside to where he was found has been there all along and never checked? If so has anything been said addressing that?

You are so totally wrong on this.

I have gone for walkabout many times in Greece at these times. Why wouldn't I? I was younger and obviously Immortal.

The walk Dr Mosley intended to take should have been a doddle. It would have been - if he hadn't taken the wrong turn!

I posted on a similar thread that my DH, totally fit and in his peak of youth and health, was on Army exercise in Kenya and he woke up in hospital. Heatstroke. Felt fine, just a bit hot, then nothing till hospital. Instant collapse without any warning.

It shows us how terribly fragile Life can be.

We never know the hour do we.

"....We never know the hour do we."

So true @BMW6

That's correct. Lots of people have commented on it. It seems that didn't expect him to be in that area so didn't check the CCTV until the body was found.
Obviously it would have been much better to check earlier then the family would have known and there wouldn't have been a need for a search party. However it wouldn't have saved MM. He died hours before anyone knew he was missing.

Thanks @SallyWD

@StopStartStop

Personally, I wouldn't call dying of heatstroke at 67 a blessing! He could have had at least another 10-15 good years in him. 67 is young to die. Most people are just retiring at that age.

MM said himself that the main motivation for his work was that he didn't want to die prematurely, like his father who passed away at 72.

Yes there are people who die younger, and/or under worse circumstances, but it's not a competition!

Reoprt said he wanted to go home and didn't want to wait for 4pm boat. Some reports also said wanted home since not feeling well. But that can't be right, or it would be mentioned now as possibly linked to death. Also nobody wouod walk in that heat while feeling unwell

I expect he was feeling restless (it was the beginning of his holiday and some people can't relax straight away).

He was sitting on the beach - feeling fidgety- and looking at the headland opposite - probably wondering what it was like. (There was a report of him going up steps and looking over at the other side of the bay before he set off.)

He was an adventurous man - as his wife said.

Everybody assumed initially something had happened during the walk from Agia Nicholas to Pedi. So it's not immediately intuitive for a bar or houses near Agia Marina (3.5 miles away) to check their CCTV.

What do you expect people to say?

No perhaps not immediately but it soon became clear he could have been in that area. It had been searched on foot and from the air so they clearly suspected he could be there. Apparently Dr Mosley’s family were there looking for him and very close to where he was found, it would have been horrendous for them to discover the body when its location could have been known days before.

Anyway really I don’t have any insight into the search or the whole situation, I just hadn’t followed the news closely and was confused so wanted to know if in fact the cctv existed, and if there was any explanation given for it being discovered so late. Answer kindly given by a pp is yes it did, and no not really.

I don’t expect or feel the need to receive any further comment or explanation. It’s for others actually involved in the situation to note for future reference I guess.

No, it didn't soon become clear he had been in the area. He was missing on Weds, by Friday they were still focusing on the path from the beach in Ayios Nikolaos to Pedi.

On Saturday morning police start searching the mountain paths based on new CCTV evidence showing he took a path into mountains.

Dr Mosley was found on Sunday.

So it didn't 'soon become clear' that he could have been in the area.

Apparently Dr Mosley’s family were there looking for him and very close to where he was found, it would have been horrendous for them to discover the body when its location could have been known days before.

But that just reinforces the point that he wasn't visible. Even his family were close to where he was but couldn't see him (as he was behind the wall).

@Rubbishconfession

There was earlier cctv showing he’d reached Pedi I thought, but even if not it’s not a huge area and it doesn’t seem a reach to check. It would have removed the need for the body to be highly visible because the route he took is recorded on cctv.

As I said I have no insight into the investigation so I am not criticising so much as just asking the question. Anyway as I said I don’t feel the need to know more. Those involved will review I’m sure.

No, the CCTV of him reaching Pedi was seen on Friday.

Agia Marina was 3.5 miles away. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they wouldn't have thought MM came that way.

Thanks @Rubbishconfession I think the timeline has elided if that’s the right word in my memory.

Standard have announced that video of him approaching marina was given to police on Wednesday.

It seems strange that the bar owner didn’t mention that in his interviews with media.

And if he did see MM in the footage, why didn’t he walk over to what he saw, it was only 60 yards away?

The police deny receiving the footage.

What was the plan walk. Anywhere he felt like? Or back to villa? He looked liked he couldn't wait to get out of Pedi either way.