Michael Mosley-a body has been found

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Body found in search for presenter Michael Mosley https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kk9gvw8l0o

so sad for his family

Of course it is, but then you do know. There is nothing worse than NOT knowing, for days, weeks, years, decades.

So what word would you use.

It's so incredibly sad, although I do find all of this very strange. If the heat was the main factor, why are more people not dropping dead on the Greek islands? Plenty of people visit Greece and other hot countries and don't end up vanishing in the hills.

Sorry I would disagree that there is nothing worse than not knowing.

Someone close to me went missing.

When his body was found, we all felt worse.

The not knowing wasn't the worst part. Finding him dead was the worst part.

I would describe it as moving from one layer of trauma to the next layer of trauma.

There's no closure of any kind

The issue with a body being found in a missing persons case is that while finding the body may give ‘closure’ to the Q “where are they?”, it’s likely to open up many other questions like “how did this happen?” and, in the instances of crime, “who did this?”

So finding the body doesn’t and can’t always give ultimate “closure”.

There is definitely no closure when a body I'd found.

I've had experience of this.

First of all when a body is found, practically it means there are a lot of things you have to focus on and do for the next six months.

And you have to deal with a lot of different companies, health professionals and different departments.

there are DNA tests, autopsies, toxicity tests.

Then you look at the whys of what happened

. You have to deal with the death for a long time

I loved his documentaries. The one where he took "truth serum" was hilarious. He had a lovely personality. I had no idea he was so popular. I only vaguely knew about the diets.

Yes, you did everything perfectly and Dr Mosley didn’t. Is that what you want to hear?

Well yes. That was my point.

I didn’t definitively say finding the body never gives closure because I can’t speak for everyone. I also wanted to be respectful of the fact that MM’s wife said finding him where he was, so close to help, gave them comfort.

There are levels of closure, but I agree it shouldn’t be used.

To me ‘closure’ implies that it’s all done and dusted and you can move on with the next phase of your life which I’m sure the family won’t get to that point for a long time. When I was bereaved I reached a point of ‘acceptance’ to what happened, but never closure, as to me that phrase means you are completely over it and don’t ever look back.

I think people are being deliberately obtuse by what the poster meant by closure.

There is a relief in finding a missing person, however sad. That’s what they meant.

Let's not forget the bar worker who was told to go and investigate the body in that heat that would have been a traumatic experince for him 😒

I wasn't talking about Mr.Mosely at all.

He wasn't in Spain with me was he.

I said I noticed in Spain that people weren't taking precautions in the heat.

And that it is very important to be careful in the sun.

I think we all, including myself, can forget how dangerous the sun can be, as we don't deal with sunny climates a lot

If you google missing brits on greek islands, there are countless cases just in the last 10 years. Most are never found.

The people it doesn't happen to will stick to the populated areas, flat areas etc. Not stay out in the hot sun too long, not be alone.

Who says there is relief in finding a missing person.

There isn't.

I think the people on here who write, "there is relief and closure in finding a missing person", have never actually found a missing person.

There is no closure in finding a missing person.

There is a new level of trauma in finding a missing person. There is no closure at all

DH tells me that when he was in the Army on exercise in Kenya he suffered severe heatstroke.
He didn't feel anything untoward happening - of course he felt hot, but the first thing he knew was waking up in hospital. He apparently collapsed without any warning signs.

I really really hope it was like this for Dr Mosley, that he was totally unaware of what was about to happen.

I’m saying it, Carly. I had a missing person in my family and we were relieved he was found, despite the sad ending.

Is that alright with you or are you the arbiter of what people can find relief in?

And clearly Dr Clare Bailey Mosley felt relief too, as she said
“We’re taking comfort in the fact that he so very nearly made it.’

I think we all, including myself, can forget how dangerous the sun can be, as we don't deal with sunny climates a lot

@Carly944 Except it’s not including yourself is it, because in your anecdote you spelt out how you didn’t do what the other Brits abroad did, but how you were very sensible and stayed inside midday until 4pm etc…

In this case, we’re talking about someone (MM) who would have known the risks because of his profession and interests, and who probably was more used to most than holidaying in hot countries - I doubt he was one of your one week abroad Brits you mention.

Oh, I have. Twice. And despite the agonising pain and all the pain to follow, at least we knew.

She said she found comfort in that he nearly made it.

Not that he was found.

Do you even know what you're getting annoyed about?

Saying that people should stay safe in the sun, is correct.

And it is correct medical advice.

It's a bit strange that you're getting irritated to that extent about it

And she wouldn’t have known he nearly made it if he hadn’t been found.

Are you seriously this pedantic?

Yes it is important to say what she actually said.

She didn't say that she found comfort because he was found.

She said she found comfort that he nearly made it.

It’s a bit strange that you feel the constant need to state the obvious across multiple threads.

Yes, people should stay safe in the sun. We get it.

And how do you think she would have known he nearly made it if he hadn’t been found?