Michael Mosley-a body has been found

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Body found in search for presenter Michael Mosley https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kk9gvw8l0o

so sad for his family

I’d like to think I wouldn’t be in that scenario. But I’ve climbed hills in The Lakes off the beaten track, and had sticky situations happen with no phone signal and some very uneven terrain and big drops at side of pathways. I guess it’s just a case of thinking it would never happen to you, but sometimes you can put yourself in situations where wrong choices are made in the heat of the moment, when with hindsight you would never have made them.

Another related phenomenon is the Normalisation of Deviance, which related to risk-taking. Every time a risk is taken and that risk doesn't lead to anything bad happening, it becomes normalised. Keep doing it, the risk doesn't go away, it's there but hasn't yet been exposed as to how bad it could be, nor its consequences.

Eventually the shit hits the fan and disaster strikes, often long after the risk-taker had first "pushed the envelope". The ninth life of the cat was used up.

It's a theory that has been applied to many contexts, including medicine, nursing, boy racers driving recklessly round blind bends and narrowly escaping death, even technical diving.

https://scubatechphilippines.com/scuba_blog/normalization-of-deviance-in-scuba-diving/

For some reason I am actually quite affected by this. I'm not normally one that gets sad about known personality deaths per se but I genuinely liked Michael Moseley and listened to his podcasts etc... I found his voice really soothing and he just seemed 'one of the good guys' (for what you could tell...). It's all just so sad the way it happened and more than a little ironic. Just reminds you of the frailties of life.

RIP MM your uplifting knowledgeable approach to educating us in a lighthearted way was exceptional.

Yes - this exactly. I feared the worst from the moment the news first broke that he was missing but to have his death confirmed today has made me very sad indeed.

I didn't know him, but he had such a lovely way about him that I felt as if I did.

He has been very influential in my thinking about health and I will always be grateful for that.

And yes, the bickering is very unpleasant.

Well maybe he didn’t feel as though he had any other option other than to walk. No boat back until the evening. Maybe he only realised he didn’t have his phone when he reached Pedi. No phone to phone a taxi, to check the weather forecast, to check the route, to pay for the taxi (if he wasn’t sure about where he’d left his phone).
At the time of day he reached Pedi, maybe people were indoors at siesta time.
Maybe he estimated that the accommodation was about twenty minutes away and thought he could get there without drawing attention to himself / troubling anyone.
A lot of men like to save the day by themselves IMO.

Men take more risks than women. And adventurous men tend to take more risks than other men. Men are much more likely to die in accidents like this than women because they are bigger risk takers and are more likely to over estimate their abilities.

I think its fair to say that he was a risk taker by nature. His wife says that she loved his adventurousness. Experimenting on yourself isn't without risk, and he'd already had one close call with cold water swimming.

I don't think this would make him stupid or idiotic as others have perhaps suggested. I just think that people process risk in different ways and have different levels of risk that they are comfortable with generally. We need this as a society (i mean otherwise how would we test medicines!). Its not a bad thing.

Sometimes this just goes very badly wrong.

Oh FFS.

Huh?

Another related phenomenon is the Normalisation of Deviance, which related to risk-taking. Every time a risk is taken and that risk doesn't lead to anything bad happening, it becomes normalised. Keep doing it, the risk doesn't go away, it's there but hasn't yet been exposed as to how bad it could be, nor its consequences.

Eventually the shit hits the fan and disaster strikes, often long after the risk-taker had first pushed the envelope". The ninth life of the cat was used up.*
Thanks for that Captain Obvious!

I find the theory interesting and read this particular post with interest. Why the pointless sarcasm?

Lol, have a day off! Every post here is getting jumped on by someone 😂 Have a nice cup of tea or something.

Some bad knobs on this thread.
Pp would only be captain obvious if he was a mountain climber, sky diver, rally driver or the like. He was a guy on holiday walking back to his accomodation, so stop being a dick.

This is how I feel. Have actually shed tears, he was just so helpful and 'normal' . His poor family.

He took a walk, took a wrong turning and was 50 yards from a beach bar where he was probably going to go to get a drink. It is tragic he was walking in the searing heat, should he have gone off by himself? Of course not. But he did.

It’s because he’s a public figure and famous and also because he’s a doctor that some people are asking why? But as his wife said he was living his life in his way.

I too find the theory of "normalisation of deviance" really interesting - and thanks to PP for sharing.

I find it harder to understand why people are "so" affected by his death - aside from the fact that all deaths are tragic and these circumstances amplify it.

However, as far as I view it he took an unnecessary risk, failed to take proper precautions and, for whatever reasons, assumed this lack of preparation would stand him in good stead.

My understanding of MM is that he facilitated an understanding of science and human biology and was a great advocate for learning and personal development.

He also could not comprehend why other people could not overcome the challenges that he saw in diets - because he had absolutely no understanding of how real people lived.

His regimes have allowed people to reevaluate their diets but as far as understanding the determinants of ill health and poverty he was on another planet.

He was a good "voice" ( like Jamie Oliver and others) nothing more and failed to back up "his" science with quantifiable results or anything that would/could be said to be in the "public good".

Read all the fluff pieces he did in the Daily Mail on how his family lived and his understanding of the "general public". He had low understanding (probably a sad result of his upbringing and no fault of his - however we are what we repeat and lower empathy.)

RIP and condolences to his family - but let's not get carried away. A tragic and unnecessary death should not preclude a rational discussion re legacy either.

His poor family - I can't imagine how you begin to recover from such a shocking death of a loved one. How can you reconcile your husband going for a walk on holiday and then never seeing him alive again? My heart hurts for all of them. I'm also pretty saddened to read that his fall was captured on CCTV yet not seen till after his death. I can't understand why this CCTV wasn't examined sooner and his family and searchers saved 5 days of torture. Anyway - the main thing is that I'm very sorry and sad this happened to what seems to be a very kind man. RIP Michael Mosley.

Such a lovely guy. I’m also feeling quite sad and my DH is making fun of this but I can’t help it he seemed like such a lovely guy and I’m sad for his wife and kids. He helped so many people. I actually have his book but never got around to doing the fast800. I never had the motivation. I wish his family well.

Stop making horrible comments about him please. Yes we all know how more intelligent you lot are to not get into this situation but just bloody stop it now, have some respect.

I'm so sad, I've followed his regimes and had great success. He never hid his own health issues and didn't claim to be perfect.

I will miss his presence in the media massively, and hope his family find some comfort in how well liked and regarded he was. RIP Michael

@limelover, I hope that made you feel better. There is a time and place but you clearly have no understanding of how utterly tasteless and devoid of sensitivity your post is.

Oh how sad. His poor wife - I can’t comprehend being married for so long and then they’re just gone.

I have no idea what’s wrong with people who are falling over themselves to criticise him, ffs.

He was a real person too. Nobody can reach everyone. He just spoke from his perspective and tried to help people from all walks of life by sharing the knowledge he had from his own experience.

I think I would have glazed over and he’d have lost me if he’d have started talking about quantifiable results. I’m glad he didn’t.

@blueshoes Thank you for that - can you tell me when is a right time then please?

You and others have spent the last four days speculating on the likely whereabouts of a celebrity but when they are found (in tragic circumstances) I am not allowed to post?

Give your head a wobble please!

I never (and would never say) anything detrimental to MM and/or his family

However people are allowed to comment within the sphere of "human decency" and I do not think I deviated from that.

If you think I did report me.

I have not speculated at all. You lack human decency - your own words.