Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn to be deserted by same parents

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5115e7k2eno

It makes me wonder if there's a woman locked up somewhere, being repeatedly impregnated and having her babies ripped away from her. :/ Have I read too many Lisa Jewell books?

You're right, I misspoke, I meant to say psychopathic, not psychotic!

Concealed pregnancy and relinquishment still happens. It's hard to grasp, however sometimes women give birth to babies they don't want.

It also happens that pregnant women are offered support and resources to prevent their baby being taken into care - support to leave partners with criminal records, addiction issues and such like, but they choose to stay with that partner.

Yes, it’s definitely the man’s fault.
FFS.

I was just about to post about this story, the woman in the search is a friend of a work colleague of mine in our Dublin office. Sadly when they found and approached their half-siblings on the father’s side the family closed ranks and assumed they were after money (the family is very wealthy with a lot of land in Ireland).

I think my colleague said that there was a third sibling found too that now lives in Australia but that he didn’t want to be involved. I might be wrong though.

Ancestry etc would only be helpful in the event that a very close relative had coincidentally chosen to join.

I'm on Ancestry. The closest living 'relative' I have on there is someone I share - at the most - one great-great-great-great grandparent with. They're in a geographical location I have never visited, a location from which I get only around 4% of my DNA. If I'd been a baby abandoned in the street, that would very much not help the police track down my parents.

Do you really think a woman who may have been illegally trafficked to the UK will have easy access to the internet and access to a bank account to order stuff online with?

Quite - unfit Mothers DO exist! There are no shortage of examples on the relationship forum from people who had unfit Mothers.

Horrifically this is where my mind goes too, I mean it has happened where people have been kidnapped and kept somewhere for years.

It's interesting that most people here are assuming that it must have been either the mother or the father who abandoned the babies. Of course that certainly might be the case, but it could also be another family member - one of the baby's grandparents, for example, might have taken the babies away.

Ultimately, there are loads of possibilities - some statistically more likely than others - and everything we say is speculation.

You expect me to give details on an online forum??? 😂

Completely unforgivable and very disturbing.

I'm shocked how many people on here are so desperate to defend the "mother" with absolutely no knowledge.

The baby was an hour old. How is a woman who gave birth an hour ago, with no medical assistance or painkillers mind you, walking to a location with her baby and then getting far enough away not to be easily found, unnoticed? In London, which is full of people 24/7? Someone else took that baby to the place where she was found.

I hope the police can find out if the mother is ok - is she having her children removed from her by someone, is she unable to access contraception, is she able to access healthcare, is she physically or mentally unwell. I highly doubt she thinks "can't be bothered with contraception, once I've given birth I'll abandon this one as well".

@SloaneStreetVandal since most of us are mothers we understand the reality of giving birth.

Disagree.
Look at it with a degree of detachment and heartlessness:
First, despite what TV tells you, its actually very hard to murder and dispose of a body, even a baby's body, and not get caught. It's much easier to leave a live baby in a busy park and not get caught (as Elsa's siblings have proven).

Second, look at the media and public rhetoric. A live baby is found and the news articles encourage sympathy and concern. A baby's body, or parts, is found and there's no such sympathy or concern. So even assuming an equal risk of getting caught, the outcome is likely to be much softer for abandoning a baby, than murdering one.

Thirdly, related to this, murdering a baby is (rightly) condemned by society as wholly psychopathic so there's likely to be little leniency if the person is caught and convicted. But abandoning a baby is (rightly) seen by society as a result of dire circumstances where mental illness, addiction issues, abuse, isolation etc. can be cited (truthfully or falsely) and taken into account when punishment is decided.

That's before you get to the issue of whether a human being could actually, as you said, chop up or burn a baby. I believe the biological father has snatched Elsa from her mother and put her in the park. I believe he's a trafficker and is abusing and raping Elsa's mother. I believe he's an unimaginably cruel, heartless bastard. But even someone like that would draw the line at actually murdering a tiny baby. There is some modicum of care there because Elsa was wrapped and placed in a busy spot.

Harry - popular all over the world.

Roman - the road in which she was found.

Elsa - from Frozen and she almost was.

People travel the world and cultures shift. Nothing is fixed. Those babies, whatever ancestors they may have, are Londoners and will be named accordingly. Local names too have foreign roots, just like the people.

Now, kindly get off your high horse and get upset about the situation: 3 human beings have been abandoned and need taking care of. Mum is in medical need and God alone knows what's going on.

I thought Soup Dragon was referring to boxes like the ones in America? They are permanent boxes located in fire stations, hospitals etc, where you can place a baby anonymously if you cannot keep the baby. They are alarmed and alert the authorities immediately so the child can be rescued. There was a bbc news article about them: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46801838.amp

A neonate’s body would actually be extremely easy to dispose of, by someone who hadn’t just given birth.

Statistically, it usually is though. Sorry if that upsets your insistence on defending men.

Sorry if I have missed it - how do we know they are of Nigerian descent?

I have found 2 adoptee’s bio parents and my own great grand father. There are methods, even basic ones such as Leeds, and the police will have even more advanced methods. They know, they may be narrowing it down from one set of cousins for instance.

Assuming that the mother knew what was happening to the babies. She could have been told that they were being taken to be with loving new parents.

It is an horrific story, and is an indication of some of the awful things that go on behind closed doors, whether it is familial or domestic abuse, coercion, trafficking, modern slavery or other exploitation. I am only glad that these babies survived ( the dreadful possibility exists that others might not have) and are well and being cared for.

I imagine most though don't understand the reality of relinquishing the baby you've given birth to. Which is probably why most are making assumptions about the circumstances.

But the risk and consequences, if caught, are far greater than leaving the live baby somewhere where it could be found.

And that's, as I said, if a person could actually go through the act of murdering a tiny baby in the first place. I don't believe may people - even the cruelest of heartless bastards - could actually do this.

And that's assuming your statement is true. I disagree, I don't think it would be easy to dispose of a new born baby's body. And I don't wish to get into a discussion of all the possibilities of doing so.