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ViscountessMelbourne · 19/05/2024 13:56

thankyouforthedayz · 18/05/2024 08:17

@Simonjt she has not been charged with rape. That is a specific offence that involves forced or underage (statutory rape) penetration. Sorry to be pedantic but rape is a male crime (women can be convicted for rape but only as a joint enterprise with a male) Her offence is no less serious, but it is not rape.

It probably wouldn't be charged as rape even if it was a male perpetrator.
If an adult has apparently consensual sex with a child aged between the ages of 13 and 15 that's a separate offence - it may be a very serious offence depending on the circumstances but it's not called rape in England.

prh47bridge · 19/05/2024 14:30

ViscountessMelbourne · 19/05/2024 13:56

It probably wouldn't be charged as rape even if it was a male perpetrator.
If an adult has apparently consensual sex with a child aged between the ages of 13 and 15 that's a separate offence - it may be a very serious offence depending on the circumstances but it's not called rape in England.

Correct. If the child is below 13, it is automatically rape regardless of the child's consent. If the child is 13 or over and consents, the offence is sexual activity with a child.

VeloHostage · 19/05/2024 14:37

So the father will be paying child support until they are 32 ? 34 ?

grooveraidiator · 19/05/2024 15:03

It's awful. Obviously no idea what evidence there was but there are criminal convictions now and I think it's fair to comment.

What was she thinking in the events leading up to the crimes? She had everything going for her. Pretty - looking, nice job, good relationship with her parent and building up her lifestyle.

Why did she let it start and accept the boys initial poor behaviour towards her (comments in class about her body etc) let alone allowing things to continue for so long? She will have known the safeguarding process.

The boys were not emotionally mature enough and she had the upper hand. It's very exploitative and so concerning that she was attracted to 15/16 year olds. Cocky and worldly- wise as they like to think they are, they still don't have maturity to deal with exploitation and the dynamics imbalance.

I actually am very surprised by the father's behaviour. Waving and not trying to stay inconspicuous on arrival and exit of court but each to their own, benefit of the doubt, perhaps it was sarcasm?

What a mess. This will be so traumatic for the baby daughter in the future.

PuttingDownRoots · 19/05/2024 15:15

The male teacher who took a female student to France only spent three years in prison.

westisbest1982 · 19/05/2024 15:16

PropertyManager · 19/05/2024 12:26

Doesn't sound like it to me, if we are to believe the reports from court, he approached her after her suspension, asked for intimate pictures, and got some, then proceeded to have an 18 month fling with her.

It only became problematic to him when she was pregnant, and everything was going to come out and he was to be a dad at a young age.

What she did in enabling the relationship broke the law due to the rules pertaining to persons with positions of trust and the resulting increase in age of consent to 18 - quite rightly she has been found guilty and should go to prison, she broke the law and professional ethics.

It is highly inappropriate to describe the abuse that sexual predator inflicted on Boy B as a “fling”. Even he described it in court as abuse. Also, the sexual activity between them began when he was 15.

RichTea90 · 20/05/2024 22:08

Cheshiresun · 18/05/2024 20:20

She's disgusting. Given that she only became a teacher in 2018 and within a couple of years she's groomed two 15 year olds, I think she planned this. She is a paedophile, sex offender and depraved on all levels.

That poor 16 year old boy who should have his whole life in front of him is now a dad, I'm not saying he doesn't love the baby but in Court it was said he didn't want it when she "surprised" him with notes and a babygrow saying she was pregnant. Now him and presumably his mother/dad/family are looking after this innocent child. A child born though sexual abuse of a child.

I reckon she'll get near on 10 years, be on the sex offenders register for life and I don't think she'll ever get parental responsibility for that poor, innocent child.

When she gets out she'll probably just work for her parent's cafe. At least she has that as a job to go to.

Will people still be visiting this cafe?!

Cheshiresun · 20/05/2024 22:30

@RichTea90 I think people will do. I've noticed in the past few days although some have left negative reviews, some have since added 5 stars reviews. Probably locals that know the family.

Looks like to be her parents' livelihood, with both of them running it. I read an article saying that Rebecca would work there at weekends.

I can bet when she is out of prison, she will be working there. Not many people have a family business to fall back on to when it hits the fan, when you're a registered sex offender and not many jobs are open to you.

RichTea90 · 20/05/2024 22:35

Cheshiresun · 20/05/2024 22:30

@RichTea90 I think people will do. I've noticed in the past few days although some have left negative reviews, some have since added 5 stars reviews. Probably locals that know the family.

Looks like to be her parents' livelihood, with both of them running it. I read an article saying that Rebecca would work there at weekends.

I can bet when she is out of prison, she will be working there. Not many people have a family business to fall back on to when it hits the fan, when you're a registered sex offender and not many jobs are open to you.

I do feel sorry for the families of these criminals to be fair. Can you imagine being related to a child sex offender?! Like that is a trauma in itself.

I did read in an article somewhere that she has a sister too? I just cannot begin to imagine what they’re going through to process all of that. Just absolutely wild. Poor family.

Cheshiresun · 20/05/2024 22:39

@RichTea90 Yes it must be awful but maybe her parents don't believe that she did anything illegal/wrong. Totally different case but Lucy Letby's parents for example, believed and probably still believe she is innocent.

Yes I read she has a sister and on their cafe social media page she was working at the cafe too, for a while anyway but I think left to do something else.

RichTea90 · 20/05/2024 23:04

Cheshiresun · 20/05/2024 22:39

@RichTea90 Yes it must be awful but maybe her parents don't believe that she did anything illegal/wrong. Totally different case but Lucy Letby's parents for example, believed and probably still believe she is innocent.

Yes I read she has a sister and on their cafe social media page she was working at the cafe too, for a while anyway but I think left to do something else.

Very true.

gosh just a sad and shocking story

Lwrenn · 26/05/2024 10:11

I've been to that cafe a few times, I hope that her parents business isn't affected, its not their fault.

Rebecca is a disgraceful predator who I believe entered teaching to gain access to children of the age she never grew out of being attracted to.

I'm sure there will be outside factors, emotional maturity, flattery, poor self esteem maybe but not a single reason that could be used to give an explanation as to why she not only felt it was acceptable to groom children and coerse them into sexual relationships but also how anyone could find young teenage boys sexually attractive. It's disgusting that anyone who is an adult could find minors sexually attractive but to act upon it, to put yourself in a position of power and trust and give yourself opportunity to be around the demographic of child you're wanting to abuse is just abhorrent.

I think back to my teenage crush of a male teacher and I'm pretty sure he knew, I even bumped into him completely at random a few times and he and his friends left the club, a club he had far more right to be in as an adult in his early 20s as I did as a child of 14.
I'm sure he was flattered to have a student looking all doe eyed at him but he didn't ever engage or encourage it.

Rebecca joynes is a predator.

Do I think she's predatory in the same way peadophiles who download sexual abuse images of babies and toddlers are? No. But do I think she's a dangerous adult to have around children and deserves a prison sentence and to never be allowed to teach again? Absolutely.

I think there will be people trying to make excuses for her and want to give her leniency because they think teenage boys aren't as easily pressured as teenage girls or teenage boys are almost lucky to have a sexual experience that sounds like a plot of a very dated dirty movie. But what she has done is groom, deceive, exploit and commit a gross sexual assault on 2 minors.

Owl9to5 · 26/05/2024 10:17

It's so unusual. I. Not in the uk so I only read about this yesterday. Very hard to understand. Not that I understand male paedophiles, but I hope that instead of her getting stabbed in prison, the psychiatrists can interview her to find out what she got out of it.

LucyP1992 · 16/06/2024 02:23

She got bail as she was about to give birth…

Thankfully her daughter is in the care of her father and his family. Her poor daughter will one day find out the circumstances of her conception. Very sad.

westisbest1982 · 04/07/2024 16:13

The piece of trash has deservedly got a six and a half years custodian sentence:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/04/manchester-teacher-who-groomed-two-boys-jailed

Alltheyearround · 04/07/2024 17:11

I don't think that is long enough frankly.

And her behaviour around the pregnancy and the teen father was despicable.

Her real punishment is not to see her daughter grow up, and doing all the things small children do.

Good luck to the 2 lads involved. Hope they recover in time.

RichTea90 · 04/07/2024 19:53

Reading the teenage boys account of how it’s affected him was upsetting

apple.news/AVvL1ChMIReWJYQVjstNhuw

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