WTAF? Asylum seekers to be detained across the UK in shock Rwanda operation

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/28/home-office-to-detain-asylum-seekers-across-uk-in-shock-rwanda-operation

"The Home Office will launch a surprise operation to detain asylum seekers across the UK on Monday in preparation for deportation to Rwanda, weeks earlier than expected, the Guardian understands.
Officials plan to hold refugees who turn up for routine meetings at immigration service offices and will also pick people up nationwide in a two-week exercise.

They will be immediately transferred to detention centres, which have already been prepared for the operation, and held to be put on later flights to Rwanda. Others identified for these flights are already being held."

I am actually shocked by this. A cruel, inhumane action with terrible optics and a colossal waste of money.

Around 55% of social security expenditure goes to pensioners; in 2024 to 2025 we will spend £167.6 billion on benefits for pensioners in GB . This includes spending on the State Pension which is forecast to be £138.1 billion in 2024 to 2025.

This old chestnut @Polishedshoesalways

But what about all the economic migrants working in the nhs?

But the majority of those claiming state pension have paid into the system for years to get it. It’s not ‘free’ money.

I don’t find your posts remotely amusing.
6.1 million people on UC is a massive drain on our country.

That's not what I asked. Have you actually read the shortage occupations list?

I suspect I can answer for you - no, of course you haven't, otherwise your answer would make no sense. You're assuming that it is unskilled jobs that nobody wants to do. In fact it covers a huge range of industries - nuclear chemical scientists, biochemists, engineers of almost all flavours, vets, architects, choreographers, musicians, fishing industry, welders, carpenters, joiners, medical practitioners, psychologists, pharmacists, radiographers, social workers, maths and physics teachers - and that's not even an exhaustive list.

I don't understand why you are asking these questions. Do you think there are no systems in place currently to deal with most of those problems?

Housing and benefits stay the same as they are now. I think it would make absolute sense to allow asylum seekers to work - it is ludicrous that people with valuable skills are being prevented from working currently. In that event obviously they would also be paying tax etc if they earn enough.

If their asylum claim is not accepted they would be returned using the same means as are used now.

Lets Try again 😂
What is your suggestion to an alternative to the Rwanda plan?

What is your question?

The issue is a legal one. If you allow AS to work and they are contributing however briefly to tax revenues etc then they can claim that it is an exploitative arrangement and argue to remain that way.

Do you seriously think no one has thought of utilising the asylum work force?! 🙄

Then they'll lose their right to stay. Could well be why this has been published

Show us that graph and we'll be able to judge for ourselves.

Yes I’m worried about that too. They’ve worked hard and now they may be held in a detention centre for 10 weeks till the plane is full and ready to go. Just as an election winner? It’s sickening.

Process them faster. Don’t keep them in the system for years.

With a different ID and the tactics used by lawyers supporting applications they'll be successful if they have enough money to put into it.

A healthy person on benefits should not have the choice to opt out of jobs they would rather not do! We have a huge range of unskilled work with a perfectly adequate workforce available.

I am all for encouraging skilled and talented students to stay but on five year visas etc.

Clearly this isn't deterring those people though, is it? A much better deterrent would be an efficient asylum processing scheme that means false asylum claims are weeded out quickly and the individual concerns can be deported back to their country of origin.

They are in the system for years because they launch appeal after appeal. What you are in fact saying is we need a much more robust immigration service, I agree with you.

Ummm we have had that for years, and they just keep coming back. Or disappear of the face of the earth.

How will this remedy the housing situation, bearing in mind that for every asylum seeker Rwanda takes we take oe of theirs, generally people from the Congo to whom they are illegally refusing asylum?

6.1 million people on UC is a massive drain on our country.

Nearly 40% of those are in work @Polishedshoesalways

That is possibly a reason for having a more effective asylum processing system. It is not a reason for spending millions shipping a few asylum seekers off to Rwanda.

The people I see havent even got to the stage of appeal. They are just waiting.

Those due for relocation to Rwanda are making their way in their droves to Ireland from NI right now.

There is discomfort (a nice way of putting it) brewing about this in Ireland now. Naturally Sunak et al are gleefully delighted that it will be someone else's problem again, and they may not have to deport as many to Rwanda as first thought if the exodus over the NI/Ireland border gains traction.

Stop lying. We are not taking a 1.1 ratio, otherwise why would we be paying so much?! For goodness sake, you don’t need to lower yourself to openly lying.

How are you going to persuade this healthy person on benefits to work as a physics teacher or a nuclear chemist if they don't have any GCSEs?

Glad to hear you'd support 5 year student visas though - more generous than the existing system.

That’s true. Perhaps Ireland might finally see how brexit actually happened. A moment of enlightenment so to speak.