WTAF? Asylum seekers to be detained across the UK in shock Rwanda operation

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/28/home-office-to-detain-asylum-seekers-across-uk-in-shock-rwanda-operation

"The Home Office will launch a surprise operation to detain asylum seekers across the UK on Monday in preparation for deportation to Rwanda, weeks earlier than expected, the Guardian understands.
Officials plan to hold refugees who turn up for routine meetings at immigration service offices and will also pick people up nationwide in a two-week exercise.

They will be immediately transferred to detention centres, which have already been prepared for the operation, and held to be put on later flights to Rwanda. Others identified for these flights are already being held."

I am actually shocked by this. A cruel, inhumane action with terrible optics and a colossal waste of money.

Not much if a surprise then.....

In terms of people coming here on board; the numbers are tiny compared to our housing need caused by a lack of investment by this government.

asylum seekers are a handy excuse for this government’s failings. People like you frustrate me because you fall for it.

This government have allowed a backlog to grow and there are people sitting in hotels because this government has failed to process their claims and work out if they are genuine asylum seekers or not. Failed. So they try and blame the individuals.

There is no way on this god green earth that the Tories would invest in infrastructure and when they’re caught out, they blame:

• asylum seekers ✅
• benefit claimants ✅
• disabled people ✅
• mentally ill people ✅
• “the woke”

it’s disgusting. They are not fit to govern.

It’s not immigration.

We have an ageing increasingly ill population as we get ever more overweight. have you forgotten that handy fact?

What solutions has the government offered to tackle those issues which would go a long way to tackle the NHS and adult social care crisis.

We are told it’s “young men” coming here - well they won’t need NHS treatment as much then, would they?

GP care has failed because GPs are leaving the profession or the country. Not a surprise when the Daily Mail et al demonise them and they get better pay overseas.

housing stock - there is enough, it’s just too expensive because of overseas landlords buying property and holding it. Look around at all the empty shiny flats on the banks of the Thames. Plenty of empty homes kicking about in their tens of thousands across the country.

Blame immigration all you like, but I wonder whether you’ve actually spent a bit of time investigating the issues rather than just accepting whatever news outlets you get your information from.

They may have health issues just like most people but they will not be paying council tax for example but still need to use services

I think it would be better if we halted immigration for about 10 years and take some refugees but not all the economic migrants constantly

And I’m not saying it’s sinking because of Asylum Seekers, but saying that because we are in such a mess, we need to focus on getting up and running again before we take in further people. We can’t house the ones we have. There are no homes, and even if Labour get in and come through with their promises (won’t hold my breath), it will take years to restock.

The people already here perhaps

I've just read half of them don't report anyway and have already disappeared into the BE.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work so not sure how they can pay council tax

Economic migrants come here to work so will pay their taxes and NI

I cannot believe this government. It's all getting very dystopian and unbelievably cruel

There are 110,000,000 asylum seekers worldwide

The uk with a population of 67,000,000 holds around 0.8% of the world's population. It is our duty as a civilised nation therefore to provide safe refuge for an absolute minimum of 0.8% of the world's asylum seekers - though probably a bit more say 1.0% as we are relatively wealthy and free compared to global averages. That would be a minimum of 920,000.

We actually have only about 250,000 - so around a quarter of our fair share.

What we should be doing is (a) making it easier to claim asylum here and (b) do more to educate small-minded nimby racists who think there's "too many foreigners these days" and want to rewind to the 1950s

It’s my job to oversee what happens to criminals and I can assure you we have a major problem in this country not just with asylum seekers but with Eastern European gangs running amok and trafficking and serious crime.

Its too easy to enter this country and live here undetected, and the system takes far too long to identify and remove people, this will only get worse under Labour - because of their soft non existent immigration policies.

Last year we took in 1.2 million - these were just the people we know about. All of those people need homes, food, bills paid, doctors, hospital care at times etc - no wonder the infrastructure is collapsing in some places.

The wealthy overseas landlords are long gone. The shortage of housing is absolutely real, and likely to get worse. We are in crisis here (SE) with almost no stock left at all. Where do you intend to put these people????

This country needs a reset, until we get a grip on these issues and some control over who lives here - then anxiety will continue to grow. We have an amazing country, that is why people want to come, but it won’t stay that way unless we take action. We can not welcome everyone from the world over. It’s just a ridiculous notion.

We have legal routes that offer people a chance to obtain a visa to work and live here. We should now need to stop illegal immigration in its tracks.

It is in fact our duty to provide housing, medical care and a basic standard of living to the people ALREADY here, regardless of where they are from.

We are not even managing that - we are already overwhelmed - so how hell could we take even more? Seriously this post beggars belief.

Surely we have to stop illegal migration? We also have to take our share of genuine refugees

what on earth do the liberal mumsnetters think we should I about illegal economic migrants?

We have to find homes for the thousands of Afghan families still in bedsits first…

Reading some of these pp shocks me that pp never seem to think through the real life practicalities. Seemingly living in some strange metaphysical world where houses can be produced from thin air and we have limitless resources to feed the world. It’s unfathomable to me.

Nah they've just given them a date and told them to get on with it themselves absolutely shocking. Sure we'll take you in, oh now we can't be arsed you're on your own off you go.

But you agree we do owe a decent life to the people we have welcomed here? We can’t continue to absorb thousands, millions more whilst we have thousands of Afghan families in bedsits or a single room? That is not even considering the thousands of families in temporary housing waiting for a home - it’s obscene to ignore the desperate situation so many are in.

We have to stop this madness. Really we do. It’s ideology on steroids.

But they are NOT vulnerable! Most of them are healthy, young fit males. Why do you continue to insist they are all so desperate and needy with no options???

If they live in a country with a despotic regime who gets their shits and giggles from chasing young, fit males around a sports stadium until they are exhausted and they can run them over in a tank, then I would count people who fit that criteria as vulnerable. Young, fit males are the group who the average despotic regime, would be most worried about if they believe their grip on power is tenuous.

The shortage of housing is absolutely real, and likely to get worse. We are in crisis here (SE) with almost no stock left at all. Where do you intend to put these people????

Are you saying that there is no house building happening in the SE anymore ?

What about the people already here needing housing

We can't keep building in the SE. We are supposed to be preserving the environment and green spaces

How about stopping people buying homes here and not living in them? I’m aware of flats in London that are empty for majority of the year.

They can find land to build plenty of student flats. Perhaps give the job to Unite student property to build!

I think the government do yes. They set up the scheme they shouldn't just turn round and say right. On your own.

Young males from developing countries have toxic ideas about women. Unless they are literally government dissidents (Iran has many such people needing to be protected) then they do not have a place in Western countries.

People will say stuff like the above and then clutch their pearls reading about the rise of acid attacks and knife crime, but never connect it with their support of migration of young men with vastly different concept of correct behaviour.

The type of men who think it is ok to kill their sister or daughter should she fall in love with someone of a different background or that knifing someone is an appropriate response to an insult.

It is not necessarily about race. I lived in Hong Kong and can tell you that Mainland Chinese have wrecked the place. Despite being the same race and similar culture. But they have brought bad behaviours with them and it can never be how it was in the past because nobody from the Mainland respected the local culture. Actually, they didn’t even understand it so how could they have respected it?