First execution using nitrogen

[Jenry]

Alabama has executed a man using nitrogen flowing through a mask for the first time. Warning - distressing detail in the article.
how is this allowed to happen in this day and age? It’s inhumane.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68085513.amp

Hamsterinaball · Today 10:05
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Oh please, anyone thinking this is "inhumane" want to go into a slaughterhouse and watch how pigs are killed!
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Same way and you hear the poor things screaming and thrashing!”

And? Both are appalling. What’s your point?

I believe some people don't deserve to live. But I don't believe anyone has the right to kill them.

Pharma companies are refusing to supply them for death penalty purposes.

Violence begets violence. This is not the answer, those rejoicing in this just become more violent themselves.

I don't need a trigger warning about potentially being distressed about a murder being given capital punishment

Cause i don't give a shit about someone like him

So it makes it so much easier to read about it.
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I agree with this.

I'm 100% against the death penalty, but at the point at which they're scrabbling round seeking supposedly "humane" methods of execution which are so cruel and grotesque, it's time to give up the facade of being a civilised nation and just shoot people.

Yes, they do.

And more importantly: We need to preserve our humanity and dignity. Which is incompatible with the death penalty.

I also have various objections to the state being allowed to execute people. A govermental act with the single / exclusive purpose of killing a human being is unacceptable.

And we shouldn´t forget that an execution is permanent and final. Wrongful convictions are not unheard of. The risk of murdering an innocent - something which has occured several times - is simply too high.

@Beginningless

Oh so what is your idea of finding a more suitable deterrent then?

Do you feel the British criminal system is doing a good job then?

Cause I bloody don't that's for sure,

Just curious 🤔

Haven't got that much cofindence in this criminal uk system ...

I don't think there can be a "clean" or humane way. Even a totally painless instantaneous death does not detract from the fact that the death penalty is abhorrent

Gassing someone is particularly emotive though...for obvious reasons

I have two very conflicting views on this.

First off I’m against the death penalty, it doesn’t appear to be any more of a deterrent to life imprisonment and the tit for tat argument for it just doesn’t sit well with me. Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that..

I also believe that if you have no regard for humanity you can’t then turn around and complain about your own human rights. I just can’t feel bad for this guy, he knew the consequences.

So, I’ll just stay here, sitting on the fence

The family have had their blood debt - her husband who paid for her murder killed himself, the other accused was executed 15 years ago.

So because 2 of the 3 are dead, then thats ok, we dont need to punish the 3rd one?
I'm torn on the death penalty - I don't have sympathy for anyone who hurts another human delibrately, but my biggest worry is the possibility of an innocent being sent to their death.

No I don’t think the uk criminal system always does a good job either. I don’t think there are any deterrents to violence that include violence.

I think people are less likely to offend when they have good support and opportunities in their lives, but we can’t live in a utopia like that that makes things lovely for everyone, that’s not how our world is.

I think we can act strongly to protect others without having a violent mind towards them. Many people cannot be rehabilitated in this life, and should not be set free, but if we join them and become murderers too, this just perpetuates violence. Just my view.

Absolutely abhorrent in this day and age.

As an aside, the death penalty baffles me. Killing is wrong. Punishment = killing.

They deserve to die in prison, and never know freedom again.

No human should be killed by the state. I hold that as a principle, it isn't on a sliding scale depending on the offender.

Just because I have a totally different mind set to you, you don't know me but it's okay to judge. I would do it and if that makes me no better so what?
I'd be able to do it because I do not have empathy with scum.
I certainly don't give a fuck what you think of me.

@shearwater2

Totally agree with you

Fraud crimes are seen as much more worthier of longer jail sentences than someone having their life taking from them,

Its because we live in a western societies Capitalism and greed

Cash is king!
and this is classic example of messed up western societies priorities really are

And if someone transgresses that ethos of materialistic code,

They will become a cropper of that system that irronically and paradoxically in the first place onset encourages and worshipes at the Alter, the cult of Greed and Capitalism and excess of symbols of wealth and notoriously bad behaviour shooting up cocaine drugs, prostitution people trafficking ect

Yes I do believe they should be treated with humanity.
Because otherwise we are just as bad as them, regardless of the intentions.

And i want a society where we treat EVERYONE the same way. With respect.

Even if you support the death penalty in principle, it's beyond me how anyone can be comfortable with it in its current form. The level of racism, misogyny and sheer corruption that is rife in law enforcement and the criminal justice system in the States is enough to convince me they shouldn't be in charge of killing a hamster let alone a human. And Alabama is one of the worst.

I guess his victim’s families felt the same revulsion.

Executions should not be happening in 2024. America is a horrendous place.

The justification would be that one type of killing is legal and the other is illegal.

Same applies to euthanasia. Some people might think that's murder, but in certain countries it's not. And in some people's moral beliefs, it's not.

Well the Alabama jury's opinion (not likely to be a group of bleeding heart liberals), and they heard all the evidence, was that life without possibility of parole was sufficient punishment.

And yes, where you choose to have the death penalty you will always execute innocent people as well. That's the price of state sanctioned revenge (plus enormous amounts of budget because death row is expensive).