First execution using nitrogen

[Jenry]

Alabama has executed a man using nitrogen flowing through a mask for the first time. Warning - distressing detail in the article.
how is this allowed to happen in this day and age? It’s inhumane.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68085513.amp

You keep mentioning the suspension of the death penalty in England and Wales and the subsequent increase in crime after the war. Another poster has offered an alternative explanation for this which you haven’t commented on. You also haven’t mentioned what has happened to crime rates in England and Wales after the complete abolition of the death penalty.

Comparisons of homicide rates between countries is tricky

I didn’t compare murder rates between different countries; I offered a comparison of murder rates between different states- as in the United States of America. Perhaps you misunderstood my post. Could you say why there is such a difference in the murder rates between Louisiana and Maine, for example? (The former has the death penalty, the latter does not).

The murder rate in non-death penalty states has remained consistently lower than the rate in states with the death penalty, and the gap has grown since 1990.

I’ve examined the arguments and am satisfied that the death penalty is wrong. You obviously feel differently and that’s fine. I’m glad to live in a country where no one can be executed by the state.

I do agree though re emotion. Supporters of the death penalty often make it very personal and very emotive: ‘if that was my child that had been murdered, I’d want to kill the perpetrator myself’ etc. Not to mention the posters upthread with their very alarming imaginative suggestions for ways to put people to death. Steamrollers etc. Certainly a lot of emotion on display there! I can’t say I’ve seen quite the same level of emotion in posts from the ‘other side’.

Yes and you can't really make decisions like these based on emotion. Years ago we were burgled...I was so upset, I'd have probably wished all sorts on the scumbag who did it. But objectively I don't actually think house burgers should face capital punishment.

Does it not blow your mind that someone has been gassed to death in the USA?

No. I think the death penalty should be more common than it is. I don’t particularly care which method.

What if it's you or your loved one falsely accused?

And you should care very much about what a state/government is prepared to do to it's citizens

What if it's you or your loved one falsely accused?

I’ll take the risk.

This man wasn’t falsely accused.

Don’t tell me what I should care about. People disagree.

@JohnMytton rationing and post war is not simply about a boring diet. It drives poverty, and therefore desperation. It also fuels lack of aspiration. People who are not inspired about their future who are cold and hungry with poor job and wealth prospects are statistically more likely to murder people.

As another poster has stated, homicide has always been a more common phenomena
in countries with capital punishment.

Prepared to take the risk that the government could gas you to death...

You're braver than me

Timothy Evans.
Stefan Kiszko

Mic. drop.

Quite

But the professionally outraged, tabloid reading types just can't seem to grasp the fact that there are miscarriages of justice all the time.

Birmingham six.

Those convicted with evidence including modern scientific techniques are extremely unlikely to be victims of a miscarriage of justice, so I’m in support of the death penalty for the worst crimes with that evidence.

Like the post office scandal. Now I know they were never at risk of the death penalty obviously, but this was recent. Technology didn't seem to help them much. Still a huge miscarriage of justice

Like the post office scandal. Now I know they were never at risk of the death penalty obviously, but this was recent. Technology didn't seem to help them much. Still a huge miscarriage of justice

That wasn’t DNA evidence so not comparable.

Using that argument, if you believe police will lie and falsify evidence, then no one should be convicted and even put in prison really. Or is it ok if they’re wrongly imprisoned, just not killed?

I think you either trust in the justice system or you don’t. Personally I do for more recent convictions with DNA evidence. And more than that, I support the death penalty for the worst crimes with that evidence in place.

We’re either confident these people are guilty or we’re not. And if we’re not, they shouldn’t even be in prison. In my personal opinion, if they are, those guilty of murder amongst other crimes, should die.

Calling people tabloid reading types because they disagree with you is pathetic.

Because if someone is wrongly put in prison, they can be released and compensated. Death is final. There's no coming back. It's too big of a risk

What is actually wrong with not liking the idea of killing people?

The death penalty has no place in civilised societies IMO

Because if someone is wrongly put in prison, they can be released and compensated. Death is final. There's no coming back. It's too big of a risk

Death is final, yes. And with evidence and modern scientific techniques, the chance of a miscarriage of justice now is unlikely.

If the evidence isn’t strong enough, they shouldn’t be in prison with a ‘oh well, we can always release them in a few years’. Being put in prison with a lack of evidence is too big of a risk. It’s hardly easy to reintegrate back into society after being in prison regardless of compensation. There’s no real coming back from that, they might be ‘free’ but the damage caused will be too much.

What is actually wrong with not liking the idea of killing people?

Nothing, just like there’s nothing wrong with holding the opposing opinion. People think differently.

But people were put in prison in the post office scandal. Ok it's not murder but all these modern crime investigation techniques did not stop this miscarriage of justice.

If there are systemic problems with the criminal justice system it should be suspended

Like the race problem in the USA for example? Yes, they probably should suspend the use of the death sentence there until they can sort that out.