First execution using nitrogen

[Jenry]

Alabama has executed a man using nitrogen flowing through a mask for the first time. Warning - distressing detail in the article.
how is this allowed to happen in this day and age? It’s inhumane.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68085513.amp

I am against the death penalty generally but I additionally cannot wrap my head around them thinking gassing people is ok? Surely someone will have noted how incredibly offensive this is? Similarly this is why I (hope) assume they won't try hanging people.

And why do we not object to innocent people dying in those circumstances?

Is it because not acting in those circumstances is expected to lead to greater non-combatant/bystander death?

So we're back to the utility of the death penalty. Does the death of innocent people (or even guilty people) via the death penalty lead to a lower rate of death in the innocent?

Well no, it doesn't.

So what crimes do you think should be punishable by death. This man was guilty of murder...but you could be guilty and not innocent of all sorts of different crimes

You sound sick

I don’t support the death penalty as I don’t think it’s right to intentionally kill people where there is no immediate threat to life.

Is that allowed @JohnMytton? And who made you the arbiter of what people are allowed to object to and why anyway?

you would have to say that we can’t have an army or armed police because those things result in the deaths of innocent people

Only when things go wrong though.

@Snugglemonkey

No, it's pointing out they are ok with it, when they want pork chops to eat! It's not inhuman to gas a living (innocent) being then?

#picking and choosing.

@Alwaysgoingforit

I know, I know

Why is Basso's position logically inconsistent?

Can you give an example of a war or armed police situation with no immediate threat to life where there was no objection to the collateral killing of civillians expressed by the sort of person who objects to the death penalty?

My feeling is that the sort of person who is pro-death penalty is probably also pretty pro-strong military and armed police, but that's just a guess.

I've not read the full thread, so apologies. I don't agree with the death penalty. I wonder why they wouldn't use the liquid drink cocktail that Dignitas patients consume to kill themselves.
If someone has already mentioned this, once again apologies.

And your example of people not objecting is?

This.

He will die @JohnMytton, we all will. It’s not for the state to decide when that happens though.

It's your right to believe that.

I believe that most people who are against the death penalty are also against war in most circumstances apart from situations where not to go to war would cause far greater civilian death; and against killings by police (of anyone) where there is no immediate threat to life, and no other action that could be taken which wouldn't risk life. Thus not inconsistent.

Yes.
I think state sanctioned murder is abhorrent but if it's going to happen then it should be painfree and as quick as possible.
I know helium is but I didn't know nitrogen is.

I think it's hard to talk dispassionately about the best methods when you find the whole concept of a death penalty repugnant and you have a strong emotional response to it. It feels for me like I'm saying I'm ok with it as long as it's humane, which is not the case at all.

Ignore the sealion.

There are many people who will say we shouldn’t have the death penalty because the fact that an innocent person could die is sufficient argument against it. I’m pointing out that people who think that tend to be inconsistent and would oppose other things that lead to innocent people dying, such as fighting wars or shooting dead terrorists.

This paragraph doesn’t make sense to me.

Yes, many people who oppose the death penalty do also oppose wars in which civillians are killed. Many would also oppose shooting a terrorist with the intention of killing them. (A reminder that the policy in the UK is to incapacitate the terrorist rather than kill them, which is why the police would then be obliged to provide medical treatment for the terrorist they have just shot).

Or a picc line, like what's used for long term iv treatment- chemotherapy etc

they did try it the first time he was to be executed but that also failed and it’s why his execution was cancelled.

He requested nitrogen.

I’m not at all opposed to the death penalty but there are certainly better ways to carry it out, though I think some aren’t used due to being psychologically difficult for the persons executing.

I don't think it ok to gas any being. However, I respect that others see animals differently than humans.