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Dominic C Covid evidence 2

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Newtonianmechanics · 20/11/2023 15:44

New thread for if old fills up.

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bombastix · 30/11/2023 15:04

AutumnCrow · 30/11/2023 14:54

In case anyone's wondering, by the way, Hancock read PPE at Oxford and has an MPhil in Economics.

He isn't badly educated and has a brain. It's just that he is and was prepared to throw that all away in pursuit of political ambition. As were most of this fantastic cabinet.

AutumnCrow · 30/11/2023 15:12

'As a trained economist I'm used to dealing with graphs and curves and the maths and stats behind them' - Hancock. Presumably a dig at Johnson.

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:30

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1730259587586986489?t=vIlfJNIX_SmL0qE-AK8naA&s=19

Matt Hancock shown messages in which he was warned by his adviser that his claim that he "locked down" care homes before the rest of the country was untrue.

Turns out this "lock down" amounted to visitors being told to wash their hands

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:32

AutumnCrow · 30/11/2023 15:12

'As a trained economist I'm used to dealing with graphs and curves and the maths and stats behind them' - Hancock. Presumably a dig at Johnson.

Not much use if you don't read the documents Confused

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:37

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1730263978868085045?t=nrgQZdsHs_j_PnE4Hyrsgg&s=19

👀The Health Secretary did not know about Rishi Sunak's "eat out to help out" scheme until the day it was announced!👀

Refuses to blame the scheme for increased infections, specifically, although he "argued strongly against its extension".

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:42

Matt Hancock admitting to covering up big spikes in Covid cases due to Rishi Sunak's Eat out to Help Out scheme.

Dominic C Covid evidence 2
minou123 · 30/11/2023 16:46

I'm 2 hours behind, bit I'm reading all your updates and thinking 'Christ, I've got to look forward to"

Its like being told the most horrible spoliers 😁

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:54

I only got back half an hour ago, just sharing posts from my twitter feed.

Will catch up more later

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:56

Those whatsapps re eotho were already leaked before his book release

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 16:59

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1730267824013095024?t=qX2rvU45YPeIwxn8fpspWw&s=19

Wow! - Hugo Keith shares a WhatsApp where Hancock says on 14th of March that the testing which stopped on 12th of March, should restart and is in hand.

Hancock eventually says they stopped testing on 12th of March, the WHO criticised the gov for stopping testing, and so they decided to restart testing on the 14th of March

Heather Hallett, "The point Hugo Keith is asking, were these all in hand by the 14th of March"

Matt Hancock, "By in hand I mean we're getting on in making them happen. We didn't have a big testing program. These things take months to build rather than being immediate." #CovidInquiry

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 19:05

AutumnCrow · 30/11/2023 14:34

Baroness asks about apparent lack of 'action points' in the The Great Plan, and Hancock says 'they are there but not as prominent as they might as been ... '

Keith follows up and gets a response of 'oblique references'

FFS we're talking about key stuff like schools here.

We already know that schools weren't prominent because there was no Cabinet Minister for Children.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:14

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 19:05

We already know that schools weren't prominent because there was no Cabinet Minister for Children.

Are you still fearful of Covid or is it just when there’s a threat of children being prioritised? 😀

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:24

Poor dc when fear was so heightened it did this to adults 😳

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 19:41

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:14

Are you still fearful of Covid or is it just when there’s a threat of children being prioritised? 😀

I think perhaps you are confusing me with another poster, I am not sure why you would think I was fearful of covid, or unlike the Prime Minister, Health Secretary and of course Education Secretary I do think children and other vulnerable groups should have been prioritised rather than grouse shooting and horse racing.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:45

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 19:41

I think perhaps you are confusing me with another poster, I am not sure why you would think I was fearful of covid, or unlike the Prime Minister, Health Secretary and of course Education Secretary I do think children and other vulnerable groups should have been prioritised rather than grouse shooting and horse racing.

I doubt it 😀

Your repeated goading suggests otherwise

Unfortunately for dc there were a fair few adults ready to ignore damage due to perception of heightened risk.

Really sad to see at the time. But still now… not good.

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 19:49

Yeah Covid is a laughing matter Hmm

Bereaved Families

x.com/CovidJusticeUK/status/1730280565327175920?s=20

It was very frustrating to watch the inquiry let Matt Hancock, who over saw the UK having one of the highest death tolls in the world from Covid-19 before resigning for breaking his own lockdown rules, get away with lie after lie today.

1/7

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 19:51

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:45

I doubt it 😀

Your repeated goading suggests otherwise

Unfortunately for dc there were a fair few adults ready to ignore damage due to perception of heightened risk.

Really sad to see at the time. But still now… not good.

If you are not confusing me with another poster, then you are simply making up things that I have never said and indeed never thought.

We can though agree that there were many adults who paid little need to the needs of children and the vulnerable. Indeed in my previous post I listed some of them.

Quite why they need to go and shoot birds as a priority rather than thinking about how to keep children being educated in schools is a mystery.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:52

I don’t believe a smile is a laugh. I’m not attacking in response to goading, not worth it.

I am serious though. Adults let dc down.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 19:56

And as I said before some posters used the same tactics during the pandemic

It was a great shame for dc.

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 20:04

It was a great shame for people with disabilities, vulnerable people, people of ethnic minorities, victims of domestic abuse too, including children.

But shooting and hunting

This is all on the government, not random posters on MN

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 20:06

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 20:04

It was a great shame for people with disabilities, vulnerable people, people of ethnic minorities, victims of domestic abuse too, including children.

But shooting and hunting

This is all on the government, not random posters on MN

I thought it interesting that in today's evidence from the former Health Secretary it was clear that he did not think that other government Ministers including the Prime MInister were willing to listen to him. Now that may be because said former Health Secretary hadn't bothered to read any of the briefings he had been given and so didn't have anything interesting to say. Of course if instead he had been Cabinet Minister for Children everything would have been different.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 20:06

It’s all documented. People shouting down any mention of harms to children.

I doubt anyone will look back and think yes I should have spoken up for them 🤷‍♂️

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 20:09

It is interesting how people get swept up in demanding restrictions, lockdowns and ignoring harms to dc and then later this..

DuncinToffee · 30/11/2023 20:12

I am sure that people with children in care homes would have preferred restrictions and lockdowns

jgw1 · 30/11/2023 20:20

EasternStandard · 30/11/2023 20:09

It is interesting how people get swept up in demanding restrictions, lockdowns and ignoring harms to dc and then later this..

It is also interesting how starting some restrictions sooner would have led to shorter lockdowns and fewer harms to the vulnerable. Additionally it is increasingly clear that Sunak's eat out to help out was a daft idea, which added to the harms that you are so concerned about.
It is a great shame that we had such a compeltely useless bunch of ministers at a time of great need. If only they had the good sense to listen to experts how much better the UK would have done. Experts for example including representatives of teachers who of course by the nature of their jobs put the interests of children first.

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